Do we actually know who bombed the hospital in Gaza yet?

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I keep seeing mixed reports. It’s really unsettling not to know.

Laughable response! (Comment from Christian Palestinian here!)

How have you arrived at your ‘nuanced’ understanding?

here is a question for you:

In the time after the second world war there were tens of millions of refugees - why, in your opinion, shouldn't the Jews not have settled in the area?

It should be noted, that with millions of refugees trying to resettle world wide, 75 years on this is the only remaining refugee issue.

Well, yes obviously. Are you writing what other people want you to

Not at all if you know the history of the middle east past and present.

It's abundtly clear from this bin fire of a thread that many have no clue.

Oh dear

The conflict began when five Arab nations invaded territory in the State of Israel upon a formal declaration of independence in 1948 following the United Nations' 1947 partition plan.

Those territories were Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Israel emerged victorious and later on emerged victorious again following which they gave Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in a land for peace deal in return for Egyptian recognition of the State of Israel.

It's a fair question, take your time.

Are you still in the ME or did you come the West/UK?

Right, sure it started there 🙄

Please read up about the Balfour Declaration and we can move forward from there.

In the meantime I will scan the latest news about the sick and depraved attack by the Israeli government on a church that was providing shelter to women and children….

Enjoy your lunch

freecoathangers seems keen to avoid acknowledging any of the behaviour of Israeli govt over the last 75 years and is basically giving the same old excuse to every single point made by everyone e.g "but what about Hamas". Endless circles and failure to look at the real issues. Pointless arguing at this stage, as you'll just get a new version of "you support Hamas / what about Hamas". Everyone has said they don't support Hamas or their atrocities. Circular and ridiculous. Let's not even mention how the Israeli govt propped up Hamas as a way to separate and divide Palestinians and weaken the Palestinian cause as a whole.

Well, sure, there was violence before 1948, but that's not the same thing as conflict in terms of international armed conflict which is what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict really is.

The following excerpts have been taken from the United Nations website:

www.un.org/unispal/history/

"Palestine was among former Ottoman territories placed under UK administration by the League of Nations in 1922. "

You can see in this link which countries were members of the League Of Nations in 1922 when Palestine was placed under UK administration.

www.britannica.com/topic/League-of-Nations/Members-of-the-League-of-Nations

"UK considered various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, the UK turned the Palestine problem over to the UN."

Under British administration, Palestine was NOT partitioned, but you will often hear people talking as though it was!
So, we move on to the actual partition itself:

"After looking at alternatives, the UN proposed terminating the Mandate and partitioning Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947)."

As we can see, the partition of Palestine was not caused by the British Government alone.

The collective members of the United Nations made that decision.

"One of the two envisaged States proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war involving neighbouring Arab States expanded to 77 percent of the territory of mandate Palestine, including the larger part of Jerusalem. "

The Office Of The Historian in the United States says the following:

"The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948."

history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war

Partition was a United Nations collective plan.

Personally, I would argue it was the FIVE Arab States who kickstarted the Arab-Israeli aka Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That kind of warfare was new and arose out of the partition into Israel and Palestine.

Interested to know what behaviour of the IDF and Israeli govt you would actually condemn, as I've not seen one jot of recognition, empathy or regret about most of the issues raised here, actually the opposite:

• palestinian children get prosecuted, tortured, imprisoned, broken bones, denied legal counsel etc "well they shouldn't throw stones"
• thousands of innocent civilians killed in the last couple of weeks "but what about Hamas"
• church bombed "why aren't you complaining about about Iraq"
• 2.2m people imprisoned for over a decade in an open prison camp "but what about hamas"

Ad infinitum.

Sorry no idea what you are talking about I spoke on Christians and Muslims in Gaza. Also at the top stated very quickly that the history of Muslims and Christians in the middle east is relevant to know. Other than that I didn't talk about it. So you seem to just be righting off posts that don't agree with yourself. Even if post only contains a couple of lines at the top on a related and very connected subject. Which you would know if you researched anything about Gaza citizens or Hamas or middle eastern history both past and present.

Good question freecoat.

Let’s make an analogy.

So the UN Security Council decide that the Ukrainian war refugees need to be rehomed somewhere. They’ve chosen the UK, and decide that Greater London it is for now. They can’t be rehomed in the midst of the communities living there, they need their own areas and homes, exclusively for the Ukrainian population.

The existing people living in those areas need to adjust to houses on their roads/streets being demolished and bulldozed and new state of the art housing rebuilt there for these new refugees that take priority. They are given a weeks notice for this forced eviction. These native people own these houses in Greater London and have the deeds and legal paperwork to prove this. They try to get legal advice, only for it to fall on deaf ears.

The UK government are not interested as the Ukrainian refugees need somewhere to go and live. Those native Londoners need to find somewhere else to live. But hang on, there is nowhere else to go, as there’s been no monetary compensation for the loss of their homes. They have no funds, and now the UK government has suddenly outlawed any native Londoners from buying property in Greater London, as the existing housing needs to be kept free for the new lots of Ukrainian refugees heading their way.

The native Londoner’s have no place to go now. There are offers of temporary housing - but hang on, these housing areas have no electricity, food chain supply shortages, poor schooling, low employment and are far away from London. However there’s no alternative, so these native Londoners must move there.

Their established homes and lives have been turned upside down because the UN Security Council made a diplomatic decision that was in the best interests of the Ukrainian refugees.

Doesn’t sit right does it.

(Just a hypothetical by the way - for those hard of thinking….)

But Ukranians hadn't lived in the UK for 3000 years previously and don't have religious and historical ties to the area.

Please refrain from answering my posts, this is the 3rd reply from you that is illogical and makes no sense.

How old are you if you don’t mind my asking @FreeCoathangers ?

Rubbish analogy and Hypothesis Contrary To Fact, to boot. 🤷‍♂️

It doesn't make sense because you just don't like the answers.

It was a crap analogy and missed out many important factors.

Please don't pose questions to me in the future if you can't handle the answers.

Where did I say I was making a hypothesis?

Another one with no sense of logical debate 🙄

(Just a hypothetical by the way - for those hard of thinking….)

I've got no game in this, but just watching you flounder...

(Just a hypothetical by the way - for those hard of thinking….)

Just because you haven’t liked my analogy does not allow you to dismiss it. In fact it makes you very uncomfortable.

the fact is you have your opinions and I have mine.

bottom line is that you have not condemned the killings of Christian women or children nor the bombing of the church or hospital.

Seriously?! 🤦‍♂️

I've highlighted it in the attachment. You're trying to use an IMAGINARY event in London against @FreeCoathangers real life post-WW2 point.

It's invalid and a logical fallacy. 🙈

Please look up the definition and thereby difference between hypothetical as an adjective and your choice of scientific word ‘hypothesis’

Oops.