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Do we actually know who bombed the hospital in Gaza yet?

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Ididivfama · 18/10/2023 13:10

I keep seeing mixed reports. It’s really unsettling not to know.

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Trulywonderful · 19/10/2023 18:38

EasternStandard · 19/10/2023 18:32

Do you follow Twitter accounts outlining Hamas brutality?

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Probably not. These people never admit all societies have violence loving idiots. They also believe ever think they read that will further there chosen narrative. They also won't admit that jihadis out number most other societies violent idiots.

No idea who the journalist is or if a real person. However I chose wait until I see evidence of the claim. Just like I do with Israeli stuff.

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:38

27Mankinis · 19/10/2023 18:37

You know the phrase 'Jew journalist' is quite anti semitic in itself I assume.

alright apologies. Go and report that comments as well.

Wonkasworld · 19/10/2023 18:38

27Mankinis · 19/10/2023 18:37

You know the phrase 'Jew journalist' is quite anti semitic in itself I assume.

Awfully worded.

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:41

Trulywonderful · 19/10/2023 18:38

Probably not. These people never admit all societies have violence loving idiots. They also believe ever think they read that will further there chosen narrative. They also won't admit that jihadis out number most other societies violent idiots.

No idea who the journalist is or if a real person. However I chose wait until I see evidence of the claim. Just like I do with Israeli stuff.

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Sure. I’m stupid for believing everything I read unlike you.

this is the journalists were you can see whether she’s real or not.

https://twitter.com/hagarshezaf

i like how those pro Israel tend to call stupids to the people that don’t agree with their opinion.

https://twitter.com/hagar_shezaf

Wonkasworld · 19/10/2023 18:42

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:41

Sure. I’m stupid for believing everything I read unlike you.

this is the journalists were you can see whether she’s real or not.

https://twitter.com/hagarshezaf

i like how those pro Israel tend to call stupids to the people that don’t agree with their opinion.

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Why do you need to be so aggressive.

Gruntsandgroans · 19/10/2023 18:44

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:41

Sure. I’m stupid for believing everything I read unlike you.

this is the journalists were you can see whether she’s real or not.

https://twitter.com/hagarshezaf

i like how those pro Israel tend to call stupids to the people that don’t agree with their opinion.

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I wouldn't waste your breath on the posters that have all suddenly landed on the thread. Wait 'til after their bed time and come back.

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:44

Wonkasworld · 19/10/2023 18:42

Why do you need to be so aggressive.

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Maybe cuz I’m fed up of being called stupid for not reading the same things as many of the posters and not agreeing with many of the things here stated

EasternStandard · 19/10/2023 18:46

Gruntsandgroans · 19/10/2023 18:44

I wouldn't waste your breath on the posters that have all suddenly landed on the thread. Wait 'til after their bed time and come back.

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Who is this to?

Are you guarding the thread for just your posts and those who agree with you? Do you have a quota of posts to get the go ahead, over what number are you aiming for

Trulywonderful · 19/10/2023 18:46

27Mankinis · 19/10/2023 18:37

You know the phrase 'Jew journalist' is quite anti semitic in itself I assume.

Yep

However could just be an English not first language problem. The translation in some languages can make things seem what they are not. Therefore I will correct in case the poster isn't aware

Calling someone a Jew Journalist is not OK

Calling someone a Jewish Journalist is ok

Not sure why a Journalists Jewishness comes into it. Any ethnicity can report the incident it doesn't mean it is more or less true. Arab conflicts with each other are often reported on by muslims. This does make the report any more factual than if a Christian Journalist was reporting it.

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:46

Just searched on google. I apologise for using the word Jew. English is not my mother language so I did an incorrect translation to English. Should have said Jewish.

Wonkasworld · 19/10/2023 18:48

Gruntsandgroans · 19/10/2023 18:44

I wouldn't waste your breath on the posters that have all suddenly landed on the thread. Wait 'til after their bed time and come back.

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So you only want posters who agree with you to post on here? It doesn't work like that.

DoDoDoD · 19/10/2023 18:49

Noicant · 19/10/2023 17:55

Quite a few analysts have said most likely a bomb from Gaza that fell on that carpark. It’s utterly irresponsible of people to be making shit up.

Everyone in the middle east seems to think the IDF blew up a hospital full of people but it seems most likely that someones rocket from Gaza accidentally hit a carpark. Within 2 hours of the bomb falling Hamas had declared 500 people dead. I mean clearly it’s nonsense.

I don’t think people understand how destabilising bad reporting has been here. People are going BATSHIT in the middle east, talks have been cancelled (you know those ones trying to stop escalation, allowing aid, saving lives, stuff that people in Gaza really really need right now). The morons defending this or blaming the IDF because they want their side to win rather than look at the evidence are making it worse not better for Gazans. All these delays to getting around a table costs lives.

Have you seen the report and analysis from Channel 4 last night? It said that on balance it looked more like an IDF explosion. Calling people 'morons' is not helpful. We still don't know - just as 'quite a few analysts' have said it's most likely a bomb from Gaza, quite a few other analysts have said it's most likely an IDF explosive. So I think it's deeply irresponsible to be giving a huge amount of weight to any one explanation still.

Gruntsandgroans · 19/10/2023 18:50

Wonkasworld · 19/10/2023 18:48

So you only want posters who agree with you to post on here? It doesn't work like that.

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I've been engaging a lot on this thread today with people who don't agree with me. There is a certain type of poster that I don't waste my words on though. I'm off to walk the dogs, enjoy the thread Smile

crimsonfleet · 19/10/2023 18:50

MiniTheMinx · 19/10/2023 15:17

I haven't commented on any of these threads so far. I haven't felt the need to as it seems that there are at least a few people who are concerned for the Palestinian people, and some have a great deal more up to date knowledge of what is happening. (I suspect they also have more time to read up and keep up with the news) A few seem to have a good grasp of the history of this conflict too.

But I would like to take issue with this
Again, that's fine, but when the Palestinian population is growing very quickly and has grown enormously since the 90s and so far 3300 have died in this current conflict I'm not going to label it as a genocide of the Palestinians

and have some questions for FreeCoathangers

Could you please explain to us all why it is "fine" to bomb to shit a population simply because of population growth? What exactly about a growing population makes it ok to kill people? What definition of genocide are you using?

The legal definition of genocide is: a "crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part"

Is Genocide ok with you because the Palestinians have dared to reproduce? so far the IDF has killed 1000 children in this conflict. 48% of the Palestinian population is under 18 years. Since 2008 Israel have killed 6407 Palestinians of which 1437 were children. In the same period 308 Israeli fatalities of which 25 were children. (these figures do not include the recent conflict) The Palestinian population is young, because so many of their fathers, uncles, brothers, mothers, grandmother's before them have all been killed

Last year alone nearly 75,000 immigrants were accepted into Israel. So I think you will find that through systematic land grabs and exodus, poverty and poor health outcomes, killing, Israeli population growth and immigration that Israel is on target to not only push the remaining Palestinians into the sea but to completely annihilate them as a distinct "nation" and prevent any way forward that would grant them even a very small part of what was once their home land.

The Israeli population is twice that of Palestinians now. And their lead in the population races increasing with every bomb!

The Israeli's have the best the security and surveillance in the world, it is inconceivable that Netanyahu didn't know what Hamas had planned, and that he isn't using it as a convenient pretext upon which to completely smash the Palestinians, a people they refer to as cockroaches.

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So you're saying that the Israeli government knew that Hamas were going to invade and kill over a thousand people and let it happen? That the attack was really Israel's fault?

Wonkasworld · 19/10/2023 18:51

Gruntsandgroans · 19/10/2023 18:50

I've been engaging a lot on this thread today with people who don't agree with me. There is a certain type of poster that I don't waste my words on though. I'm off to walk the dogs, enjoy the thread Smile

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Very grown up. Enjoy your walk.

FreeCoathangers · 19/10/2023 18:52

DoDoDoD · 19/10/2023 18:15

I asked for your post to be deleted due to your intemperate language. It undermines anyone's argument and viewpoint to call other posters liars, talk about raving lunatics and so on. Try to be civil.

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I was clearly provoked, but hey ho, you wouldn't care about that.

EasternStandard · 19/10/2023 18:52

Gruntsandgroans · 19/10/2023 18:50

I've been engaging a lot on this thread today with people who don't agree with me. There is a certain type of poster that I don't waste my words on though. I'm off to walk the dogs, enjoy the thread Smile

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Well don’t then. No one will miss the snarky comments about wasting posts.

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:53

crimsonfleet · 19/10/2023 18:50

So you're saying that the Israeli government knew that Hamas were going to invade and kill over a thousand people and let it happen? That the attack was really Israel's fault?

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Not sure whether they knew full details but they were aware about something big about to happen and the president decided to ignore it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047.amp

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/10/13/cia-issued-warnings-about-potential-escalated-hamas-attacks-on-israel-days-before-strike/amp/

A line of militants on motorbikes

Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck - US - BBC News

But Israel's PM describes any claim it received a specific warning as "totally fake news".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047.amp

Trulywonderful · 19/10/2023 18:54

EasterIssland · 19/10/2023 18:41

Sure. I’m stupid for believing everything I read unlike you.

this is the journalists were you can see whether she’s real or not.

https://twitter.com/hagarshezaf

i like how those pro Israel tend to call stupids to the people that don’t agree with their opinion.

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I have not called you stupid. Never used that word at all. Please you are the only person using it.

I simply have started there is a tendency in some people like yourself it seems to only look at things from the side you believe is right. Therefore you disregard information or only look at stuff that agrees with your chosen narrative.

Personally I look at everything and believe very little until I have proof. I also think both side can behave terribly towards each other. What I don't do is fan hate and help keep the conflict going like many in the west do by spreading misinformation and not wanting until things are confirmed

FreeCoathangers · 19/10/2023 18:59

I think the reason this thread has lasted is because it was a decent conversation with a lot of facts, on both sides.

It's now regressed into a "reporty" thread plainly because some people can't handle facts. I wonder if it will last much longer?

FreeCoathangers · 19/10/2023 19:03

WanderingWitches · 19/10/2023 18:06

I thought this was quite interesting after what it was like last night on here.
People so quick to believe a terrorist group.

Interesting as I always had the chap that runs it as slightly bias.

TwilightSkies · 19/10/2023 19:10

Is anyone following Shaun King on instagram?

DdraigGoch · 19/10/2023 19:18

Gruntsandgroans · 19/10/2023 17:20

They committed a genocide in Palestine - Nakba. That is why they are where they are because they ethnically cleansed the place. Being a victim at one point doesn't give you free reign to victimise others. You don't get a few free genocide passes.

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Equally Nakba isn't a free pass for Palestinians either. Many Palestinians are Israeli citizens, they have moved on and integrated into the new state. Much as Jewish people have been doing for millennia. The actors who continue to stir old grievances have created the present conditions where Gaza is blockaded because Israel doesn't want any way in for weapons.

As I said earlier, if a different administration had been elected in 2005 - one which didn't spend its time and resources lobbing rockets over the fence - Gaza would be in a very different place. It's in a great spot on the Mediterranean and there were once plans to build a casino. It could have ended up as a wealthy tax haven. But no, Hamas are in charge and just fire rockets in pursuit of a goal they will never achieve.

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