Do we actually know who bombed the hospital in Gaza yet?

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I keep seeing mixed reports. It’s really unsettling not to know.

Well they can only hand the hostages back if they are still alive though.

Just seen reported the body of a kidnapped 12 year old Israeli girl with autism has been found burned at the Gazan border.

I mean, come on, an autistic child taken hostage and possibly murdered by being burned alive. With all the other atrocities reported, how the AF can there can be negotiations?

I haven't commented on any of these threads so far. I haven't felt the need to as it seems that there are at least a few people who are concerned for the Palestinian people, and some have a great deal more up to date knowledge of what is happening. (I suspect they also have more time to read up and keep up with the news) A few seem to have a good grasp of the history of this conflict too.

But I would like to take issue with this
Again, that's fine, but when the Palestinian population is growing very quickly and has grown enormously since the 90s and so far 3300 have died in this current conflict I'm not going to label it as a genocide of the Palestinians

and have some questions for FreeCoathangers

Could you please explain to us all why it is "fine" to bomb to shit a population simply because of population growth? What exactly about a growing population makes it ok to kill people? What definition of genocide are you using?

The legal definition of genocide is: a "crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part"

Is Genocide ok with you because the Palestinians have dared to reproduce? so far the IDF has killed 1000 children in this conflict. 48% of the Palestinian population is under 18 years. Since 2008 Israel have killed 6407 Palestinians of which 1437 were children. In the same period 308 Israeli fatalities of which 25 were children. (these figures do not include the recent conflict) The Palestinian population is young, because so many of their fathers, uncles, brothers, mothers, grandmother's before them have all been killed

Last year alone nearly 75,000 immigrants were accepted into Israel. So I think you will find that through systematic land grabs and exodus, poverty and poor health outcomes, killing, Israeli population growth and immigration that Israel is on target to not only push the remaining Palestinians into the sea but to completely annihilate them as a distinct "nation" and prevent any way forward that would grant them even a very small part of what was once their home land.

The Israeli population is twice that of Palestinians now. And their lead in the population races increasing with every bomb!

The Israeli's have the best the security and surveillance in the world, it is inconceivable that Netanyahu didn't know what Hamas had planned, and that he isn't using it as a convenient pretext upon which to completely smash the Palestinians, a people they refer to as cockroaches.

Love the conspiracy theory.

Hamas went dark for 2 years. No tech, no phones, no radio, not texts, no telegram, no whatsapp. Leaders met in person. If you've seen how they carried out the attack you'd understand.

Each group was given a specific target but not told where it was. For example, they knew there were talking out a Kibbutz but only knew the layout, not where it was or when the attack was going to happen. The motorbike teams worked separate from the Toyota teams, those teams worked separate from amphibious teams, etc, etc. Just to repeat, no one knew their exact targets and no one knew what day the attack was going to happen.

You only think it's inconceivable because you're ignorant when it comes to military planning side of the attack.

Could you please explain to us all why it is "fine" to bomb to shit a population simply because of population growth? What exactly about a growing population makes it ok to kill people? What definition of genocide are you using?

Show me where I said that?

Last year alone nearly 75,000 immigrants were accepted into Israel. So I think you will find that through systematic land grabs and exodus, poverty and poor health outcomes, killing, Israeli population growth and immigration that Israel is on target to not only push the remaining Palestinians into the sea but to completely annihilate them as a distinct "nation" and prevent any way forward that would grant them even a very small part of what was once their home land.

From 1990 to 2022 the population of Palestine increased from 1.98 million to 5.04 million people. This is a growth of 155.0 percent in 32 years. The highest increase in Palestine was recorded in 1991 with 4.58 percent.

Any more questions, just ask, happy to help.

the Palestinian population is growing very quickly and has grown enormously since the 90s and so far 3300 have died in this current conflict I'm not going to label it as a genocide of the Palestinians Coathanger this is what you said.

Could you please explain what you mean? because it reads that it is fine with you to kill Palestinians because in your own words it is not a genocide because the Palestinian population has "grown enormously" Growth of population since the 90's appears therefore to justify killing Palestinians, and genocide does not apply only by virtue of the fact that there has been an increase in the population.

Coathanger if you want to know when you said it it is in my original post

FreeCoathangers · Yesterday 23:47

"Again, that's fine, but when the Palestinian population is growing very quickly and has grown enourmously since the 90s and so far 3300 have died in this current conflict I'm not going to label it as a genocide of the Palestinians"

Torture, you say? Any specifics?

Just wondering if it comes anything close to what happened on the 7th when the sadists had tied families up and were removing body parts one-by-one; fingers, eyes etc. All while eating the family's Saturday meal before they finally put a bullet in each of their heads.

I'm not by any means advocating an eye for an eye, or trying to justify any human rights abuses carried out by the Israeli security forces. I just want to know exactly what is alleged.

Evidence for this?

That's completely different to what I said and what' the poster is implying.

No where do I say anything as ridiculous as "it's ok, the population is growing, bombing is OK"

I was trying to discuss genocide and the numbers involved.

I stand by my comments.

I would suggest the poster is emotional and not thinking/writing straight, sorry.

Does this population growth justify the indiscriminate bombing and killing of civilian population? (I call this genocide since I agree with the legal definition of genocide and not your definition). Yes or no?

Again can you please explain why this killing isn't a genocide simply because the population growth negates it. Because the legal definition isn't about numbers, facts, stats, population numbers, the legal definition states "crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part" please note the word intent.

https://www.politico.eu/article/i-only-knew-that-from-the-nazis-what-israeli-forensics-have-been-seeing-for-days/#:~:text=Experts%20say%20they%20have%20found,and%20people%20being%20burned%20alive.&text=Voiced%20by%20artificial%20intelligence.,containers%2C%20each%20containing%2050%20bodies.

No Coathanger, that is exactly what you said Yesterday at 23:47

JHC, what are you even talking about?

I stand by everything I said, currently, 3330 deaths (last time I checked) doesn't indicate a genocide and with respect, you can believe whatever the heck you like.

If there was actual intent, the IDF could put 2 zeros onto those figures by the end of the day.

There’s been a ceasefire for the last 2 days. Israel haven’t done any bombing since Biden arrived.

watched Rishi’s Govt private jet land at Akrotiri at 1am, having been shepherded by a Eurofighter and a naval recce aircraft.

Also going on the live feeds of Gaza City and Hebron. Palestinian side, mainly loitering outside a hospital with regular vehicles coming in with injured. Also, until Biden arrived, regular bombing from the air. Jet noise very audible, followed by bloody big bangs, then smoke/fire depending on the light. Israelis are all in uniform, checking people, no attacks on them. All very relaxed, going on phones, eating, chatting and laughing.

Israel have an airborne command plane ‘Iron 1’. It’s up patrolling on when the bombing takes place.

Regardless of the rhetoric from both sides, I don’t think we will ever find out the truth. Israel isn’t letting anyone independent into Gaza. We do (as do the US, Spain, NL, Germany) have military presence in the sky. Someone knows who did it. Quite a lot of people I would imagine.

Israel was bombing last night.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian

This is what happens to Palestinian children by the Israeli government. Of course it isn't the same as what Hamas did. I don't think anyone is pretending it is but that doesn't excuse state sanctioned abuse of Palestinian children. This has been happening for years.

I really hate how some people are try to turn this into a contest. I don't think anyone can say what Hamas have done is right or nice. I don't think anyone can say what Israel are doing is right or nice either. Dead children are dead children. I've literally just seen a photo of dead Palestinian children who are barely more than toddlers all lined up. It's wrong and it is happening at the rate of 1 child every 15mins. In 7 days Israel exceeded the amount of children killed in 500 days in Ukraine. It is mass slaughter and it is ongoing. That is why people are speaking so strongly on this. Not because they have forgotten the Israeli children but because right now Israel are killing children at an extreme rate. 70% of the dead are women and children. It needs to stop.

Israel were bombarding an area around a hospital in Gaza last night. They also bombed some apartments in the south of Gaza yesterday.

So killing 3330 and displacing a population, depriving them of water, food, electricity and medical supplies in this conflict, plus Israel having killed 6407 Palestinians of which 1437 were children since 2008, having displaced 750,000 people since 1948 and making 60% of Palestinians refugee shows no intent whatsoever of genocide according to the legal definition of genocide? because you don't happen to have any regard to human rights law? is that correct or not?

So, according to you there is no genocide because 1) you do not accept the legal definition, 2) you fail to understand that intent can be read retrospectively from outcome 3) there is no genocide because they are breeding faster than they can be killed.

So, you agree the Hamas attack last week was a genocide then? Great, I'll start using it in normal conversation when mentioning Hamas.

"Satellite images from the site of Gaza hospital blast alleged to have killed 500 appear to reveal minimal damage"

Will post a link/picture when I find a link that no one can assume is bias (how difficult is that these days)

Posted upthread (at least I think it was on this thread, there are so many). Testimony from the ZAKA first responders.