Do we actually know who bombed the hospital in Gaza yet?

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I keep seeing mixed reports. It’s really unsettling not to know.

In a nutshell

Did you know that before the start of the Zionist movement there were dozens of Jewish settlements in the area? and that during that 19th century there were more Jewish people living in Jerusalem than muslims.

Jews have always lived in the area.

@FreeCoathangers Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be saying that because the Jews went through a genocide they should not be held to account for anything they have done since then? My opinion is based on the research I have done online and it includes reports from international reporters over the last 50 years, facts about the number of deaths of Palestinians versus Israelis, the unbiased history of what happened in the 1980s, the opinion of a lot of Jewish people outside of Israel, who have condemned Israel for their behavior towards Palestinians not to mention numerous international charitable organization who have condemned Israel over the last 50 years.

No offence, but what you mean by Research is actually "goggling" and it's difficult to get a balanced view on the situation.

I'm correcting you, you're wrong. When I see an actual genocide, I will be the first to call it out. Where did I say they should not be held account? I'm talking about people willfully using a word in the wrong context just for the purpose of creating pain.

@IOnlycreatedaccountforthispost
. I look forward to your thoughts on hammas and it's impact on the region when you get to it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/18/sickening-anti-israel-bias-handing-victory-to-hamas/

Did any of the research you've done include the 6 times Israel have been attacked by actual Nation State Arab armies?

It’s interesting. You are dismissing opinions that don’t align with your own having no merit. That seems pretty disingenuous. Of course people do their research online, I’m able to read articles and look at facts rather than opinions before I form my own opinion. If you actually read my first post I said both sides have a terrible history but at the end of the day more Palestinians have and continue to suffer (and have been killed) over the years than Israelis.

@FreeCoathangers that is not what i am asking you at all you are avoiding to answer
I did not say no jewish person was lovong therr before
I know that before the state of israel they were plenty of jewish christian and muslim There

Does that mean that any jewish person in europe or US has the right to go and settle there ? But not the palestinians who have been forced out of their homes in 1948 ? They have no right to return ! So why does someone with no ties to the land has

@IOnlycreatedaccountforthispost every time someone mentions research or links to @FreeCoathangers they say is rubbish

Ah OK. I didn't mention Hamas at all. My post wasn't about Hamas. My post was about Israel and how I don't think they've been solid and reasonable throughout the past 75yrs like lots of posters here want us to think. My post was picking up on the point that the Palestinians turned down a 'reasonable offer' to annex their land in return for nothing at all and how I don't actually think it was reasonable or that they deserved the treatment given to them when they pointed out that it wasn't in fact reasonable at all. Maybe you missed that?

So you are the only person qualified to decide if something is genocide or not. You are the only person with the knowledge to have an opinion. Anyone who doesn’t agree with your stance has been radicalised. Come on!

Damn that Geneva convention and their inconvenient definitions eh...

In the hours after the hospital bombing Hamas did offer to return an hostages if Israel stopped firing at them.

Israel continued it's carpet bombing.

@RoyalImpatience Hamas have been around since 1987 and yes they are what I would call a terrorist group that have their claws into the Palestinian people who unfortunately voted them into power in 2006. Why they got into power no doubt stems from years of oppression and death.

Calling out supposed "radicalisation" on anyone who dares to highlight Israel's repressive and murderous regime is a distraction technique. It's clear to see who has been radicalised here LOL.

They got unto power in the back of the previous corrupt government.

@RoyalImpatience so why did the Palestinians vote for Hamas then?

@Totalblindnessofthesoul

Where did you hear that? Hamas are continually bombarding Israel. I haven’t seen anything about a proposed ceasefire or exchange of hostages anywhere.

Because they presenter themselves as the party of hope and change

@RoyalImpatience so why would they need that if their lives were already ok and they were not oppressed?

Its hard to find much about it now as it was very much in the aftermath of the hospital bombing but here is an article (at the time I saw it in the guardian and al Jazeera live feeds). The heading it's misleading so I've screenshotted the important bit. A spokesperson from Iran made the same 'offer'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna120776

Whether it would have materialisesd, who knows, but surely stopping the bombardment for a few hours to see if they made good on their offer would have been the 'right' thing to do?

[Its also with remembering that Israel is holding large number of Palestinians (about 8x the number of hostages) in 'administrative detention'. Ie they have been seized without charge, without usual, without any planned trial. Effectively kidnapped by the government. Including children. One train of thought is that they could be exchanged for the hostages.]

I also don't get what ppl don't understand. Israel was only formed by America on stolen land. They then made A LITERAL OPEN AIR PRISON. For Palestinians of Gaza. It's a literally prison with netting above and military checkpoints. They have food water aid and everything restricted on a daily, they had education restricted, they have their homes stolen from under their feet by israeli Jews who believe they are entitled to it. Israel is backed by America, paid for by America. Palestinians have literally nothing so when they fight for freedom why is that a problem, would you not do the same if you were being oppressed? I have seen children with stones trying to fight big Israeli fighter tanks. I wish ppl would research the history and the lives of the Palestinians.