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Do we actually know who bombed the hospital in Gaza yet?

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Ididivfama · 18/10/2023 13:10

I keep seeing mixed reports. It’s really unsettling not to know.

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FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:14

EasterIssland · 18/10/2023 20:12

Unsure. However the videos that Israel are using as proof also have some lights in the streets.

Me too, however, you can literally see a light in what could be someones toilet or bedroom in the far left hand side of the video.

EasterIssland · 18/10/2023 20:15

I’ve got a question , if IRA came back and killed 1k British people. Would you approve of what is currently happening in Palestine to happen in Northern Ireland? Ira people will also be mixed with civilians and also many might support their ideas / fight. Would you support Belfast to be evacuated in order to be bombed ? Would you support British government to cut water / electricity / internet from Northern Ireland ? Would you support bombing schools / ambulances / un buildings ?

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:17

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:13

Why aren't the leaders of Arab nations putting pressure on Qatar to hand over the Hamas leaders, they have the ability to end this without civilian bloodshed.

So we're now putting Israel in the same category as Arab leaders that have a long history of inflicting pain and minimising human rights of their own populations?

You have also avoided answering the question, why isn't Israel putting pressure on Qatar to give up the Hamas leaders?

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:19

EasterIssland · 18/10/2023 20:15

I’ve got a question , if IRA came back and killed 1k British people. Would you approve of what is currently happening in Palestine to happen in Northern Ireland? Ira people will also be mixed with civilians and also many might support their ideas / fight. Would you support Belfast to be evacuated in order to be bombed ? Would you support British government to cut water / electricity / internet from Northern Ireland ? Would you support bombing schools / ambulances / un buildings ?

It's a false example. The IRA never published a Charter stating they were going to rid the world of the British and weren't going to stop until they did and whilst they murdered plenty of Prods and Catholics - they even gave warnings (almost all of the time) when they planted bombs.

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:20

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:17

So we're now putting Israel in the same category as Arab leaders that have a long history of inflicting pain and minimising human rights of their own populations?

You have also avoided answering the question, why isn't Israel putting pressure on Qatar to give up the Hamas leaders?

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You do realise Israel is entirely surrounded by those people, right - "have a long history of inflicting pain and minimising human rights of their own populations"

EasterIssland · 18/10/2023 20:21

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:19

It's a false example. The IRA never published a Charter stating they were going to rid the world of the British and weren't going to stop until they did and whilst they murdered plenty of Prods and Catholics - they even gave warnings (almost all of the time) when they planted bombs.

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Of course is a false example because they’d not kill that many people. But you’ve not answered the question.
let’s put it another way. If Russia does the same with Ukraine , would uou support it as they’re trying to get Donbass back ?

immigrant002 · 18/10/2023 20:24

@FreeCoathangers honest question why there are so
Many Jewish people in US protesting against this?

www.instagram.com/reel/CyjQqr4g9kc/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:25

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:20

You do realise Israel is entirely surrounded by those people, right - "have a long history of inflicting pain and minimising human rights of their own populations"

You still haven't answered the question, Israel has allies in the west that could place huge sanctions on these countries and cripple them.

Why is Israel not going after the Hamas leaders?

(Apologies I didn't see your post, but again surely the threat of pressure from the US and UK would change Qatars stance, and will lead to Hamas leaders being handed over)

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:25

EasterIssland · 18/10/2023 20:21

Of course is a false example because they’d not kill that many people. But you’ve not answered the question.
let’s put it another way. If Russia does the same with Ukraine , would uou support it as they’re trying to get Donbass back ?

Sorry, I'm not being an arse but I don't understand the question. Ukraine has been at war (and killing civilians) with the seperatists in the Donbas since 2014. Well, at least until Russia invaded.

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:27

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:25

You still haven't answered the question, Israel has allies in the west that could place huge sanctions on these countries and cripple them.

Why is Israel not going after the Hamas leaders?

(Apologies I didn't see your post, but again surely the threat of pressure from the US and UK would change Qatars stance, and will lead to Hamas leaders being handed over)

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You're wrong, Qatar is a member of Opec and could quite easily see us all paying £5 a litre of petrol by the end of the week. We can't pressure Qatar.

I think Israel attacking Qatar to get to Hamas would be quite an international incident and Israel can probably gather more intelligence knowing where the leaders of Hamas are.

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:29

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:25

You still haven't answered the question, Israel has allies in the west that could place huge sanctions on these countries and cripple them.

Why is Israel not going after the Hamas leaders?

(Apologies I didn't see your post, but again surely the threat of pressure from the US and UK would change Qatars stance, and will lead to Hamas leaders being handed over)

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The UK and the US are weak whilst we depend on OPec oil. The USA had the chance to be energy self sufficient but Biden quashed that.

We literally can't do anything to Qatar in terms of pressure, it's no coincidence they just hosted the World Cup.

EasterIssland · 18/10/2023 20:30

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:25

Sorry, I'm not being an arse but I don't understand the question. Ukraine has been at war (and killing civilians) with the seperatists in the Donbas since 2014. Well, at least until Russia invaded.

Ok. So you also support what Russia is doing in Ukraine. No more questions

PunkPeach · 18/10/2023 20:31

Ididivfama · 18/10/2023 13:10

I keep seeing mixed reports. It’s really unsettling not to know.

Yes, Hamas did it with a misfired rocket.

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:31

EasterIssland · 18/10/2023 20:30

Ok. So you also support what Russia is doing in Ukraine. No more questions

Not really sure how you came to the opinion, all I did was state a fact, it's quite easily googable if you want to check, nothing at all to do with supporting Russia.

flufferknutter · 18/10/2023 20:32

swirlingabyss · 18/10/2023 19:42

telegraph now reporting the Israeli foreign minister saying the Gaza strip is going to shrink after the war. Blatant land grab.

Israel’s foreign minister said that it will shrink the Gaza Strip, raising fears that parts of the territory will be annexed or reoccupied at the end of the war.
Speaking to Israel’s Army Radio on Wednesday, Eli Cohen vowed to eliminate Hamas from Gaza and then predicted a “decrease” in Gazan territory.
“At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease,” he said.

And there we have it. Who didn't see this coming?

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:33

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:27

You're wrong, Qatar is a member of Opec and could quite easily see us all paying £5 a litre of petrol by the end of the week. We can't pressure Qatar.

I think Israel attacking Qatar to get to Hamas would be quite an international incident and Israel can probably gather more intelligence knowing where the leaders of Hamas are.

No, it's a former member.

I didn't say anything about attacking Qatar, there's many tools and sanctions that can be used as an alternative.

So Israel is more interested in going after the lower members of Hamas than the actual chiefs of Hamas? How does that make any sense?

Israel is choosing to commit a genocide and hide behind the reason of Hamas, if it wanted to end Hamas they would go after the people at the top.

flufferknutter · 18/10/2023 20:36

They're not going after Hamas members. They know well enough that they can't eradicate Hamas.

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:36

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:33

No, it's a former member.

I didn't say anything about attacking Qatar, there's many tools and sanctions that can be used as an alternative.

So Israel is more interested in going after the lower members of Hamas than the actual chiefs of Hamas? How does that make any sense?

Israel is choosing to commit a genocide and hide behind the reason of Hamas, if it wanted to end Hamas they would go after the people at the top.

OK, name one sanction the West could put on Qatar?

We've already proven that Qatar fund terrorism and are quite happy to do it.

Hamas are the reason Israel are attacking, it's a terribly silly idea that if Israel took out some suits in a Qatari hotel then Hamas are going to put their arms down.

DownNative · 18/10/2023 20:38

Struggggggling · 18/10/2023 20:33

No, it's a former member.

I didn't say anything about attacking Qatar, there's many tools and sanctions that can be used as an alternative.

So Israel is more interested in going after the lower members of Hamas than the actual chiefs of Hamas? How does that make any sense?

Israel is choosing to commit a genocide and hide behind the reason of Hamas, if it wanted to end Hamas they would go after the people at the top.

No, since Hamas' terrorist infrastructure is in Gaza, the attacks originate there and the bulk of their members are in Gaza, then its logical to deal with that first.

The Achilles Heel of any terrorist group is people. So, take out a good chunk of their membership and you decimate their ability to attack. You don't usually go straight for the leadership.

Later on, maybe months or years after, Israel can begin to think about going after their leaders. This will be tricky since Hamas leaders are within the borders of another sovereign State or two. Any attack might be construed as an act of war on the State the Hamas leadership is in. It would require covert assassination which won't be easy to do.

Lessstressedhemum · 18/10/2023 20:38

All of this is just going to radicalise more young people. Hamas and other terror organisations will never be quashed in Palestine as long as Gazans are effectively held prisoner and at Israel's mercy and the West Bank suffers attacks and land grabs.

There will be no peace until both sides admit their culpability and Palestinians are treated like human beings by both governments.

DownNative · 18/10/2023 20:39

flufferknutter · 18/10/2023 20:36

They're not going after Hamas members. They know well enough that they can't eradicate Hamas.

Except they are going after Hamas members.

Boundoverbyacat · 18/10/2023 20:40

I didn't say anything about attacking Qatar, there's many tools and sanctions that can be used as an alternative

how about giving them the World Cup?

FreeCoathangers · 18/10/2023 20:41

Lessstressedhemum · 18/10/2023 20:38

All of this is just going to radicalise more young people. Hamas and other terror organisations will never be quashed in Palestine as long as Gazans are effectively held prisoner and at Israel's mercy and the West Bank suffers attacks and land grabs.

There will be no peace until both sides admit their culpability and Palestinians are treated like human beings by both governments.

This is one of the actual purposes of Hamas, to keep a population in Gaza radicalised and to radicalise other young people of the same faith around the world. It appears to be working.

flufferknutter · 18/10/2023 20:43

DownNative · 18/10/2023 20:39

Except they are going after Hamas members.

They're going after Gaza and its inhabitants.

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