Do we actually know who bombed the hospital in Gaza yet?

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I keep seeing mixed reports. It’s really unsettling not to know.

*anti semitic.

Lies of beheaded babies for another. All with the aim of stirring up anti Palestinian sentiment together with likening them to human animals and the children of darkness, so that they could now justify the siege of a civilian population

There's no proof it was AI. A few people on Twitter ran it through some shonky AI detector on the internet. Others ran it through a different one and it showed exactly the opposite.

Hamas body cam footage shows that they're capable of burning adult bodies so do you seriously think they'd baulk at doing it to dead children?

No but they would have ones for different purposes, why would a country only have bombs that blow up whole blocks of houses, sometimes the target is smaller

@Poudretteite who has verified those pictures? The president of US put the same statement out there about decapitated babies and had to retract his statement because it wasn't true.
And what Israel are doing isn't terrorism? Put aside the hospital bombing for a second (although the point of the thread is the hospital) in the last week they have bombed and killed thousands and thousands of people. They have killed over a thousand children in the last week (more than Russia did to Ukraine in a year). Over a million people have lost their homes. Theyve been denied electricity, FOOD & WATER. And you're calling me a terrorist sympathiser? If you want to go back 70 years or more we can...Palestinians live in an open prison. Lets call it for what it is, it is an Apartheid.

Does seem that current news feeds are confirming it’s not Israel responsible for the hospital bombing.

Seriously people bringing up the babies thing is grotesque. Just stop. It's verified that children and babies were brutally murdered in their homes.

Anyone on the 'israel side' do you feel what the government is doing is justified and do you agree with the actions they have taken?

Seconded. It was brutal and horrifying.

You seem to imply the collective punishment of 2 million Gazans is justified by the Hamas attack, however despicable it admittedly was? You do realise that collective punishment is a war crime. So 2.2 million Gazans have to suffer horrendously without water, food, electricity, being carpet bombed with no safe route, no evacuation, because of the Hamas attack? Let alone the number of Palestinians who have died in the last decade at the hands of the IDF (thousands) outside of these atrocities.

@swirlingabyss I'm not justifying anything. But some posters are completely writing out the cause of the current violence.

That's not true. I want to see independently gathered and reviewed evidence. Considering the lies Israel has previously told why would and should people believe then. Why aren't they allowing people in to independently examine the scene? Surely that would exonerate them

It’s being reported on the news that the Palestinian police took away the evidence (there was film footage of this) . They have said it shows it’s an Israel bomb but refuse to release it to independent experts. There’s not much left to look at. Of course Israel didn’t do it - just look at the reaction when people thought they did…..

@SomeCatFromJapan by that same token can you also understand that millions of Palestinians, subjected to brutal eviction from their homes, their land taken over many decades, petty and more serious behaviour and violence from the IDF, murder, being trapped in Gaza for over a decade, not allowed in and out of the area, strict controls on electricity, water, energy, goods movement etc might also have a cause to be upset? and much of this going on for many decades?

support for the Palestinians is not support for Hamas.

No, and I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion.
Im on the side of ending this genocide, bringing peace to all civilians and I condemn both sides and the actions both sides have taken.

I can see you didn't answer? Do you think what Israel is doing is justified?

I can see you didn't answer? Do you think what Israel is doing is justified?

Yes. The suffering is terrible but I don’t know what other option Israel have? Let Hamas fulfil their promise of eradicating Jews ‘from the river to the sea.’ They also know pretty much any aid just goes to fund Hamas so it’s very hard to negotiate but it has been announced that is being worked through, which makes sense to me. Also it’s Hamas keeping the Egyptian border shut currently, Israel and the US have been trying to negotiate it opening.

It all boils down to the fact that Hamas are doing this to their own people because of some misguided dogma about their purpose.

It’s terrible for all involved. But what do you practically suggest Israel do to respond to a mass terrorist attack from a group determined to wipe them out?

maybe not propping up hamas in the first place would be a good place to start

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/16/how-benjamin-netanyahu-empowered-hamas/

@Boundoverbyacat so it’s okay for Israel to wipe out everyone living in Gaza?

Anyone on the 'israel side' do you feel what the government is doing is justified and do you agree with the actions they have taken?

It’s not a sodding football derby. I’m a Jew. I’m on the side of ending bloodshed now, this moment. I don’t agree with everything the Israeli gov’t does but I do agree with some action against the militant / terrorist group who has as their stated aim wiping people like me off the map. The particular “red line” - what’s ok, what’s moral, what’s sanctioned under international law - is not a very fine one. I don’t have a hotline to the IDF to understand their strategy or how hawkish their leadership is at the moment. I have to say though, the spike in anti-semitic rhetoric has been painful to witness. I have no problem holding the IDF or individual citizens to account if they have committed an atrocity. I think that kind of scrutiny is necessary. But the “Of course it was those bloodthirsty neocolonialist Israeli fuckers, that’s how they’ve been for 75 years!” gig that I keep reading on this website… it’s painful and totally lacking nuance and historical context. We have people shouting about “the Jews” who a week ago couldn’t place Israel or Egypt on a map. And it’s harmful.

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So how is Israel wiping out Hamas when the chief operators live in Qatar?

Why isn't Israel asking its allies in the west to apply pressure on the Qatari government to hand them over?

Why is Israel instead conducting this mass genocide and ripping apart whole families?

Surely you must see the goal here isn't Hamas the goal here is to extinguish the Palestinian people?

telegraph now reporting the Israeli foreign minister saying the Gaza strip is going to shrink after the war. Blatant land grab.

Israel’s foreign minister said that it will shrink the Gaza Strip, raising fears that parts of the territory will be annexed or reoccupied at the end of the war.
Speaking to Israel’s Army Radio on Wednesday, Eli Cohen vowed to eliminate Hamas from Gaza and then predicted a “decrease” in Gazan territory.
“At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease,” he said.

There has been video evidence posted of an Israeli jet flying over the hospital at the time of the bombing. The truth will out and reveal Israel to be the lying state that it is.

Can you point me in the direction of that video evidence, please?