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What is currently happening in The West Bank/ rest of Palestine?

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Time4TERF · 14/10/2023 01:14

Is the current war just between Israel and Gaza?

Is The West Bank etc involved at all?

Any information appreciated.

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BelleHathor · 14/10/2023 15:11

mauveiscurious · 14/10/2023 12:55

I think we need to be really clear Hamas is a terrorist organisation and it is backed by Iran and probably Russia too. They do not care about their own citizens and their actions this last week shows they would obliterate every man woman and child in Israel if they had the opportunity. Beheading babies and dragging dead women through the streets is not a rational political organisation. This is an organisation which is hiding in religion.

Hamas is not backed by Russia at all. In fact that government appears to be the only "adult" in the room calling for de-escalation. Just this week there have been meetings with:

  1. The head of the Arab league.
  2. The President of Iraq

With a planned meeting with Palestinian leader Abbas ASAP.

As opposed to western politicians who have called for bombing Iran whether they're involved or not (Senator Lindsay Graham) or not mentioning de-escalation (White House Memo).

Even Tobias Ellwod MP who has never seen a war he didn't want to get involved with has called for caution.

The BRICS nations encouraging diplomacy, may be the thing that stops this thing escalating.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 14/10/2023 15:12

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What about the Jewish people who didn’t come from other nations? Around a third of the population of Palestine was Jewish before it was partitioned into Israel. Not everybody can just go back to ‘where they came from.’ 8 million Jews won’t just be welcomed into other countries. Not every Israeli agrees with the settlements or has kicked Palestinians out of their homes, I don’t condone those who have or count them as innocent citizens. I am talking about ordinary Israeli people who live in the legal areas of Israel and have family going back generations, some thousand of years. Where are they supposed to go? In what way are they guilty?

etmoietmoietmoi · 14/10/2023 15:14

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They can go back to New York or Europe or Australia or wherever they had just come from.

Apart from the fact your words are gross, which Israelis should leave and go back to where they came from, as you so delicately put it? How far back are we talking here, because Jews have been in Israel a very, very long time (and we're not talking 70 years here). Which ones should leave?

MolkosTeenageAngst · 14/10/2023 15:20

Beyondshock · 14/10/2023 14:57

Anyway, you won’t change your view because you don’t see Palestinians as fellow human beings. But absolutely everyone should be outraged by what is happening. It really shows the callousness of some Israelis that they are in full support of this genocide.

I am outraged. I do see Palestinians as fellow human beings. I have donate to pro-Palestinian charities many times in the past and likely will again. I had plans to go and volunteer for the charity ABCD Bethlehem pre-covid to help Palestinian children with disabilities (obviously covid stopped that from becoming a reality). You don’t know me. It’s possible to support Palestinians without demonising every single Israeli citizen. It’s possible not to see things purely in black and white, to condemn the Israeli government whilst also recognising that many ordinary Israeli people are going to be caught up in this too and that it’s not exactly something most have any choice in.

fioritura · 14/10/2023 15:41

US journalist describes when she visited the West Bank:

Abby Martin Exposes Zionism & Israel on Joe Rogan Podcast

https://youtu.be/M_vG_tONW84?si=lnDOoSWsX1Vhoh0m

Time4TERF · 14/10/2023 17:29

Thank you for the information.

Do Hamas even exist in the West Bsnk though?

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Dedsec2023 · 14/10/2023 17:59

1stworldissues · 14/10/2023 03:37

Read the news

how can you be sure of a factual response especially if the govt, etc has vested interests ?

Dedsec2023 · 14/10/2023 18:01

Guesswho88 · 14/10/2023 12:03

It looks like such a built up area. I can't help but feel if Israel continue down this path, Palestine are going to call upon reinforcements.

one of the problems with google satellite's, is its not real time imagery, and it could of been taken eg months ago, this can be proven with areas of new build houses, the houses could be completed, but google still shows some with developments on.

Beyondshock · 16/10/2023 07:44

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JustAMinutePleass · 16/10/2023 13:42

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The majority of Jewish to Muslim conversions in modern Arabia (including Palestine and Syria) occured after Israel was formed. There are even Jewish groups in Palestine trying to convince Palestines to return to Judaism - and then Israel does this and sets it all back. This is why I am not convinced this War is about anything other than racism.

Ecdysiast · 19/10/2023 14:45

There have been a lot of reports in the Israeli English-language newspaper Haaretz about Israeli settlers attacking Palestinian civilians in the West Bank in the presence of the Israeli army. It's very frustrating that those stories have hardly been picked up by the UK media.

Guesswho88 · 19/10/2023 23:04

Christ my thread is still here I feel blessed.

Ecdysiast · 20/10/2023 04:29

@Guesswho88 @Time4TERF

This is a news story published in Israeli newspaper Haaretz 3 days ago - very frustrating that UK media is not covering it:

Haaretz, 17 October 2023

There's War, Blood Is Boiling': Settlers Force Palestinians Out Their West Bank Homes

Since the outbreak of the war on October 7, more and more Palestinians in shepherding communities in the West Bank have been fleeing from their homes because of escalating settler violence. In some cases, entire communities have been emptied. In others a number of families have left, or just the women and children.

The residents report threats from settlers, sometimes armed, who tell them they have to leave. One man says he received threatening phone calls from someone impersonating a Shin Bet agent and from a person claiming to be a police officer. Both cursed him and told him he had two days to leave.

Mohammad showed Haaretz a record of numerous calls he received, both from hidden numbers and from the number of of settlers from the surrounding area, including Sharvit’s number. Speaking with a relative of Mohammad, Sharvit mentioned him and said: “They are looking for him. The police were here, the Shin Bet, who didn’t come here. It’s a shame, they will catch him, he should hide for a long time now.”

Asked by Ha’aretz about him telling the villagers to leave and the phone calls, Sharvit replied: “Don’t know [about that].”

According to an estimate by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs published in September, 1,105 shepherds which is about 12% of the entire population of herders in the West Bank have abandoned their homes during the past year. This process has been going on for some time, due to the reduction in grazing areas and harassment by settlers, which stepped up in the last week.

All the residents of the village Wadi as-Seeq also evacuated, about 20 families. All left last week due to repeated harassment by settlers but they haven’t finished clearing out their belongings. They are afraid to return unprotected.

Most of the several dozen people living in Ein Shabli, a village in the Jordan Valley, have fled. Aisha Eshtaya, 70, came on Saturday to collect things left in the house, from which they had already evacuated the sheep. According to the residents and Israeli activists accompanying them, a settler named Moshe Sharvit who lives in an outpost near the village, “Tirza Valley Farm”, also known as “Moshe’s Farm”, came and told them they had five hours to vacate.

Eshtaya found that her home had been vandalized. The solar panel was smashed, plants were uprooted and clothes had been removed from the closet and scattered on the floor. The vandals also destroyed an electric generator and stole some of their belongings.

Aisha’s husband, Nabil, had to be hospitalized after the settlers’ attack, which happened on Thursday. “They banged his head against the wall when he was sitting at home and eating. He has epilepsy,” she said, describing as she tried to reenact the settler attack. During the interview at her home, where the evidence of damage was still clear, a drone circled above the house.

“We are afraid they will burn down our house. I’m most afraid that they will uproot my olive trees, which I’ve raised like my own children; every day I woke up to them,” she recounted, crying. On Saturday Eshtaya, her children, and some of her relatives packed up more belongings, moving them by truck and tractor. They closed the door, hoping that might prevent settlers from raiding the house again.

In the last few days, Eshtaya son Mohammed started receiving threatening phone calls. In one call, recordings of which were provided to Ha’aretz, the caller identified himself as a member of the Shin Bet. In another call, someone claiming to be a police officer named Sa’ar spoke.

“I’m telling you one thing: there is a war and everyone’s blood is boiling. I’m giving you free advice: you have two days, leave the place you’re in and go back to the village. If not, woe on you,” said Sa’ar, conducting the conversation in fluent Arabic.

In the conversation, Sa’ar claimed that earlier, Mohammed had called Moshe [Sharvit], whom he called “Musa” (Moshe in Arabic), and threatened him.

The one posing as a Shin Bet agent told Mohammad: “If you want trouble, talk like that to Musa again, you hear me? I’m coming to you and fucking your mother, do you hear, you son of a bitch? Listen to me, you son of a bitch, listen to me well,” and continued: “If you have balls, stay where you are, you son of a bitch, Mohammad you pig.”

Now only young men remain, trying to prevent the land from being taken over, according to the residents. They add that a roadblock set up last week – it is unclear whether by the army or by settlers – prevents them from bringing water to the village. Activists reported that in recent days families have also left the villages of Mu’arrajat and Radim.

Threats were also reported in another community, in the north of the Jordan Valley, Farisiya. Barakat, a local resident, said that five settlers arrived on Saturday night and told the residents to gather their things and leave.

“They were armed and they hit children in the legs with their weapons,” he said. He said that afterward, soldiers also arrived.

According to Israeli activists, in recent days the communities of al-Hadidiya and Samara in the Jordan valley have also received threats.

According to data from the Ministry of Health in Ramallah, 53 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank last week. Security sources estimate that about ten of the dead were shot by settlers.

On Wednesday last week, three Palestinians were killed in a settler attack on the village of Qusra, and the following day, two more Palestinians were shot to death in an attack by settlers in the central West Bank. Security sources said that the security situation in the West Bank is under control and that the clashes are limited. They plan to continue to operate in the area with the existing forces.

The IDF spokesperson said: “According to the assessment of the situation, there are ongoing checkpoints and monitoring of movement in various areas of the sector.”

The police did not respond to the question of whether the person who called and identified himself
as a police officer was indeed a police officer.

SinnerBoy · 20/10/2023 06:30

Not every Israeli agrees with the settlements or has kicked Palestinians out of their homes, I don’t condone those who have or count them as innocent citizens. I am talking about ordinary Israeli people who live in the legal areas of Israel and have family going back generations, some thousand of years. Where are they supposed to go? In what way are they guilty?

Nobody with a passing acquaintance with rationality thinks they should leave Israel.

The settler's should leave, but I don't see that it's possible, not without civil war. Look at the huge problems there were when a mere 7,000 were evacuated from Gaza. How can a million settlers be moved out?

There is no Palestinian West Bank now and I can't see that there ever will be, not a two state solution.

YokoOnosBigHat · 20/10/2023 06:36

MyCircumference · 14/10/2023 12:05

I found this useful last week.

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