What is currently happening in The West Bank/ rest of Palestine?

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Is the current war just between Israel and Gaza?

Is The West Bank etc involved at all?

Any information appreciated.

I know it? Excuse me? That's my point, a lot of Western nations are backing Israel. We know Palestine DOES have support. Every Muslim I know supports them. They might reach out to Iran.

This is going to increase militant islamism in the West as well and we'll be back to ongoing terrorism and religious tensions.

I think we are more to blame.

Last week Israeli citizens were victims of a terrorist atrocity. They were failed by their intelligence agencies and military. Their desire for retribution and the Israeli governments desire to prove it is capable of protecting them is entirely human.

What the west should be doing is campaigning for de-escalation, instead we a cheerleading a wounded nations desire for vengeance.

It's beyond fucked up.

I think we need to be really clear Hamas is a terrorist organisation and it is backed by Iran and probably Russia too. They do not care about their own citizens and their actions this last week shows they would obliterate every man woman and child in Israel if they had the opportunity. Beheading babies and dragging dead women through the streets is not a rational political organisation. This is an organisation which is hiding in religion.

I think it’s very important that we use the correct term to describe what is happening, it’s a genocide not a war.

Yes I agree. ISIS were/are the same.

Palestinians were reported to be lighting large fires around West Bank yesterday, but there hasn’t been much follow-up on why or whether it’s spreading.

I have some friends living in Ramallah and an old school friend in Israel, so am keeping an eye on things; but, yes, information from outside the main flashpoints seems very sparse.

I am not disagreeing that Palestinians have literally no route to escape, but realistically even with the open borders how easy is it for most Israelis to leave? Most ordinary Israeli citizens will have families, homes, jobs etc which they can’t just leave behind. Not everybody is going to have the money or family connections abroad etc to just leave the country. I know the history of Israel is new, but Jewish people have lived in that area for thousands of years so not everybody has emigrated since the creation of Israel and even for those who have only lived there since Israel was created in 1948s that was still 75 years ago, several generations have been born there since and will see Israel as their only known home.

It’s not as simple as saying all Israelis can leave, just like in the UK there will be ordinary Israeli citizens who are on low incomes or have jobs they can’t leave or who have family who are too elderly or who are sick or disabled etc who can’t just up and leave the country and try and become refugees. Obviously the situation for ordinary Palestinian citizens is even more dire, I don’t think that’s disputable, but I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that every Israeli citizen is choosing to stay in Israel and has a reasonable alternative or place to go in another country, especially considering I doubt many of the surrounding Arab countries would be very welcoming to Jewish refugees right now or that Israeli refugees would last very long in any of the refugee camps in the middle east or Europe around large populations of refugees from other Middle Eastern conflicts. Where do you expect the Israeli nationals with no family links outside of Israel and on low incomes to go? Some Israelis may be choosing to stay, for example those with dual-passports and close family in their dual national, but I’m sure there must also be many who would leave if they had a reasonable alternative to go to but don’t. Not the same situation as for Palestinians at all, but it’s still not exactly a choice for them all to stay.

@MolkosTeenageAngst I mean they have access to airports and can travel over land or sea.

I get that, but realistically where are 10 millions Israeli citizens meant to go? Just because you can technically get to an airport or travel doesn’t mean you have the means to realistically leave. Leaving requires more than just getting to a border crossing, you need money, a passport, travel documents/ visas, a place to go once you leave the country etc and you need good health be able to travel. Just because there is an open airport in your country doesn’t mean you have the means to actually use it.

Obviously the situation for Israelis is not the same as for Palestinians, there are Israelis who could leave if they wanted to which is not the case for any Palestinians, but equally I think it’s naive to say that all Israelis are staying out of free choice and that they could all just leave if they wanted to. It suggests that Palestinians are all innocent citizens in the war whilst all Israelis are choosing to be caught up in it, when there will be Israelis who cannot just up and leave their country regardless of the fact the borders are open.

All the Palestinians are innocent. And this is not a war this is a genocide. And you should be ashamed. Absolutely shameful.

I've not seen any threads about the West Bank. It's a fair question!

@Beyondshock do you really think all Israelis are descended from immigrants? My friend’s family have lived in Jerusalem for generations - literally hundreds of years.

And all the Palestinians are not innocent (although the vast majority are, and do not deserve this). Hamas was voted in democratically - a long time ago, so they have their supporters.

I find it all a bit confusing so, to my shame, I looked on the Cbbc Newsround page, it’s well explained on there.

Let’s cut the Hamas crap. What the IDF does to Palestinians on a DAILY basis cannot even be compared to Hamas. Before this absolute extermination of Gazans how many Palestinians had been killed by the IDF in the last 10 months. How many Palestinian. CHILDREN are in prison at the hands of the IDF. The life of Palestinians is absolutely brutal on any given day due to the TERRORIST IDF. It’s true. We all know it. And this latest massacre is not even the first. How many massacres were there before this latest one?

Do you understand that many Jews ended up in Israel as they were so badly persecuted in their own countries and their families were getting murdered. Those countries wanted rid of them.

and they were Welcomed by the Palestinians. And what are those same people doing to those that welcomed them??

Anyway, you won’t change your view because you don’t see Palestinians as fellow human beings. But absolutely everyone should be outraged by what is happening. It really shows the callousness of some Israelis that they are in full support of this genocide.

Arabs and Christians in Nazarath are reporting violence aimed at them too.

The families of the kidnapped Israelis have called for Netanyahu to resign, more in the link below. He's more interested in keeping his position as PM then solving the problem.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/13/israel-hamas-live-dozens-killed-while-fleeing-to-southern-gaza

Palestinians are people just as any nation. Most civilians are good just as in any nations, but I don’t believe Hamas are innocent, I don’t believe all of the Palestinian government officials are innocent. Innocent people do not kill babies. That goes for the Israeli governments too, what they have been doing for years and continue to do is shamelful. I agree that it is genocide. But that is not the fault of all ordinary Israeli citizens, many Israeli citizens oppose what their government is doing, many won’t know the extent of it because obviously they are being fed propaganda within their own country. Every ordinary Israeli citizen is not guilty of the actions of their government any more than ordinary Palestinian citizens are guilty of Hamas’s actions. What have I said to be ashamed of? I am not condoning anything the Israeli government have done, I have not disagreed with anything you’ve said about how awful life is for Palestinians, all I’ve said is ordinary Israeli citizens are not exactly all free to just leave their country in response to the undoubtedly awful actions of their country.

Who by?

Other Israelis (mostly Jews).

At this point, Netanyahu is the problem.