Why won’t Egypt help the Gazans?

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It seems the most if not the only logical solution, to set up refugee shelters in the Sinai peninsula?

@Heelenahandbasket And meanwhile anti semitic and intimidation towards Jewish communities in European cities has shot up in the past few days.
And they talk about Gaslighting.

its not evidence that Israel have said they will bomb aid though is it. The SNP don’t have some sort of hotline to the Israeli government!

Of course it’s dangerous and there has been no agreement to allow aid to enter. But there is no evidence that is solely the Israeli government’s fault.

if Hamas want a ceasefire and for aid they could release the hostages immediately. Yet they’re not.

Exactly - it was appalling beyond belief what the Hamas terrorists did to those poor Israelis- there's no need to embroider it with ghoulish fantasies - it was already completely unforgivably evil

I know. I’m Jewish and was too scared to take my kids to a vigil. There were people in the Palestinian March in my city filming telling Jewish people to remember what happened in 1940 and it will happen again. This is the hate we face.

I have never shown support for Hamas. I stand with the Palestinian people in their fight for freedom.

I will never in my lifetime support the Israeli government or occupational forces that have murdered, raped and injured thousands of innocent adults, children, babies and unborn babies over decades. The world will never forget how millions of lives were disregarded and oppressed for the comfort and safety of others.

Amnesty have verified the Israeli governments use of white phosphorus in civilian areas including a hotel near a beach.

https://citizenevidence.org/2023/10/13/israel-opt-identifying-the-israeli-armys-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-gaza/

Yes- the Egyptians are not concerned about the Israelis - rather Hamas and worsening their own issues with the Muslim Brotherhood. They don’t want these refugees either for several reasons but including issues caused by Palestinian refugees in Arab countries in the past.

I've been following that particular story (explosions on the evacuation routes). Israel has denied it was them (but then again they would say that). The BBC have confirmed that it happened, but you'll note that they have not said who the attackers were.

Video footage of a different attack on the same road shows, when analysed, a van exploding from within rather than an air attack. It is not impossible that Hamas planted bombs or attacked parts of the convoy to generate more outrage. It's verified that they've place roadblocks on the evacuation routes.

Egypt is re-inforcing the Rafah crossing with cement, Jordan has banned pro-Palestinian marches in the Jordan valley. Whatever these countries are saying in public previous experiences with Palestinian refugees have been negative for them. They don’t want them at all, it’s a pity for the Gazans but memories are long in the middle-east.

The reality is Egypt could open a buffer zone on their side and provide aid. There are plenty of ways to help and they basically don’t want to do anything that risks having any Palestinians (obviously the wrorry here is hamas) on actual Egyptian land.

Theres another country (may be Jordan again) with the army at it’s borders to deter people from crossing into it. It’s not just Israel preventing people from leaving (and I do believe they don’t want any hamas fighters to get out so would want to maintain control over Gazan borders) if neighbouring countries literally have their armies ready to repel refugees then theres other shit going on too, not just Israel. Governments there aren’t stupid, they know what Hamas is and the absolute shit show they can create wherever they are squatting.

Amnesty International see an Israeli soldier light up a cigarette and insist it’s white phosphorus. There are chemical expert observers who say this did not happen, and Israel phased out white phosphorus (which they used for legitimate purposes similar to other militaries - marking and screening) before 2014 as Gaza became too dense to safely use it.

There is no evidence of any deliberate killing of any civilians and certainly none of rape. This is a war. A war started by Hamas.

You do support Hamas when you spread their propaganda. That’s not to anyone’s benefit including Palestinians.

Indeed. I saw some disturbing Hamas fake videos including one of a doll that is supposed to be a baby killed in an Israeli attack. We cannot trust what Hamas say.

The footage shows it was a threat that what happened to Jews in 1940 will happen to them again.

yes, the attacks on Israeli (and indeed foreign nationals) by Hamas are very similar to what happened to Jewish people in the holocaust.

part of what created the holocaust was people like you spreading lies and conspiracy theories about Jewish people. That’s what led to the horrific murder of six million Jews. And this same hate is still here now and leads to people shooting whole families in their beds, raping women and kidnapping babies.

it is similar. Yes. But we will stand up to it this time

It's not fun being a refugee. Have you tried it? And Israel shouldn't bomb civilians. Weren't we all rightly disgusted when the Russians did it, do it. Collective punishment is a war crime.

If you stand with Palestinians do not condemn Israel protecting itself from Terrorism and mass murder on a scale we've not seen since ISIS.
If you stand with Palestinians you help them to be rid of this blood sucking entity called Hamas and decry anyone who vows to destroy.
The sad fact is the more measured voices ( not Netanyahu and his far right) are coming from within Israel. Cannot say the same about the MENA countries, except those who have recognised Israel.

The BBC are calling it a strike. Not an explosion @MoralOrLegal

The time for Israel to protect itself was before it happened @Needspace2023

My grandmother was a refugee. as I said we have had threats in the streets of the uk that what happened to jews in the 1940s will happen to us again. It’s not fun either.

Israel does not deliberately bomb civilians but Hamas uses them as human shields. Hamas needs to release all the hostages so we can have peace.

@Heelenahandbasket I don't believe Hamas will hand over hostages, not even to save their own civilians. Their mindest is beyond our comprehension. But I don't think a temporary ceasefire, aiming to provide safety and aid to civilians, should be made as part of a deal. Or that civilians should be a bartering chip in conflict. I think the providing of humanitarian aid should simply be a requirement of international law. I know families must be desperate to have their friends and relatives back, but the aid may very well help them too as will a pause in the bombing.

True. Netanhayu too arrogant he lost control of the security. They'd sent troops to protect illegal settlers near the West Bank and so security outside Gaza was poor.
Huge protests against Netanyahu now in Tel Aviv including families of hostages taken by Hamas.

IDK about that

Massive army for such a small country - only USA China and Russia have bigger
Mossad - world respected experts in intelligence
Hi-tech wall/fence enclosing most of Gaza

Those young people partying and families sleeping believed they were safe

I have no objection to humanitarian aid. The reason it is waiting at the Egyptian border is that all parties have not agreed for it to enter the border (controlled by Egypt and Hamas). There is no evidence that Israel alone is responsible for this. Israel had previously advised Palestinians to use the rafah crossing but Egypt closed it.

Bear in mind that the Egyptians have not long dealt with Muslim brotherhood (closely related to Hamas) terrorism In Sinai. The situation is much more complicated than simply “israel is bad”. Each party has their own interests.

Obviously israel can’t just stop protecting itself now because a terrorist attack has happened! That will only make it worse. Israel needs to go on protecting itself or we will see more atrocities

@Heelenahandbasket Absolutely, it is complex and none of us know the conversations taking place or the concerns of different parties. I do not assume it's Israel blocking aid, personally. There are obviously a variety of blocks, but it is very concerning.