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France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

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NotSuchASmugMarried · 12/10/2023 21:54

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

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duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:13

Jewish people have been specifically targeted into France & many have in fact left the country so I can see the governments reasoning.

ArseMenagerie · 13/10/2023 06:14

In answer to 2. - it’s possible to be pro-Palestinian and anti Hamas and pro- Israeli and anti-apartheid. Most people are.

TenaciousTortoise · 13/10/2023 06:14

Lastchancechica · 13/10/2023 06:11

The rally should be cancelled and stopped in London too, creating more tension and violence in other parts of the world won’t resolve the conflict in the Middle East.

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This is my worry, I cannot believe that Jewish schools have been forced to close here. That is very upsetting and quite a terrifying escalation of tensions that are…. As you say geographically far removed from the conflict

Mustardseed86 · 13/10/2023 06:17

AUserNameIsNot · 13/10/2023 05:42

It's entirely predicable that the Hamas apologists are going to be out denying the patently obvious. It's the Bucha playbook, the Assad playbook, the Nazi playbook, the Srebrenica playbook, the Tiannamen Square playbook, and the Uighur playbook.

To this day grown men insist the gas chambers were showers, a holohoax BUT (wink wink) if they were gas chambers, the diabolical Jews deserved it.

It's clear that your heros from the resistance are not good men.

They were ghouls. And so are you. Even if we released the most graphic pictures - the charred, chopped up babies, the headless bodies - you wouldn't believe us. You would say it was fake.

In fact you say it was fake even though Hamas previously told you it was true.

The Qatari funded media wing of Hamas, Al Jazeera, has already played in international TV evidence of torture (cuffed detainees being beaten and kicked), sexual assault, (captured women bleeding from genital area), kidnapping of civilians and actual footage of murdered unarmed civilians.

We have the harrowing testimony of the eyewitnesses but #TheJewsDontCount.

Those of you on telegram were proudly showing a gravely injured Thai farm worker, lying in a pool of blood, being executed with blows of a spade to the head by angrily shouting men. Just a few days ago you were proud of it, and it was on your WhatsApps and in your parachute emojis and swastikas, your chanting about from the river to the sea.

And that makes you complicit. That's why France is not allowing Hamas sympathisers to participate in Hamas' call for a day of rage.

We are fighting for our lives and we are not ashamed

I promise you we are not celebrating the deaths of children. God bless and preserve all the children and innocent people on both sides.

Watch your older teens and don't let them cruise Jewish areas tonight looking for trouble. It doesn't help the Palestinian people. Donate to charity.

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Thank you. What I'm seeing on these threads is making me sick, and it's gone up a gear in the last 24 hours I think. Spamming thread after thread with disingenuous arguments, 'questions', denial and obfuscation.
I'm so so sorry for what you're going through, and the absolute insult of these dreadful posts. FlowersFlowersFlowers

Lastchancechica · 13/10/2023 06:17

The support for a terrorist group like Hamas from the left side of politics in the U.K. has really really shocked me. And made me think about the impact of having labour in government with apologists quietly in ministerial positions.

Israel is a legacy of WW2 and already contains a severely traumatised society. I can understand the shock and horror of this attack and massacre and I think a land invasion and a much tougher stance will follow.

TenaciousTortoise · 13/10/2023 06:18

ArseMenagerie · 13/10/2023 06:14

In answer to 2. - it’s possible to be pro-Palestinian and anti Hamas and pro- Israeli and anti-apartheid. Most people are.

As an outsider, and again it may be my lack of understanding, I don’t see this being the dominant narrative.

To be protesting for Palestine at a time when a group claiming to represent Palestinians is massacring Jews is optically implying support for the terrorist organisation.

AUserNameIsNot · 13/10/2023 06:18

ArseMenagerie · 13/10/2023 06:14

In answer to 2. - it’s possible to be pro-Palestinian and anti Hamas and pro- Israeli and anti-apartheid. Most people are.

Agreed

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:20

It sounds like civilians in Gaza have no choice on their govt if there's not been an election for 17 years. Which makes it even worse that that are being attacked.

Not so dissimilar from Russia who do hold elections but obviously they are dodgy & young men are forced to go to war & often face horrific conditions. civilians always pay the price

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:21

To be protesting for Palestine at a time when a group claiming to represent Palestinians is massacring Jews is optically implying support for the terrorist organisation.

Shouldn’t people want Palestinians to be freed from Hamas?

TenaciousTortoise · 13/10/2023 06:24

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:21

To be protesting for Palestine at a time when a group claiming to represent Palestinians is massacring Jews is optically implying support for the terrorist organisation.

Shouldn’t people want Palestinians to be freed from Hamas?

Yes of course, but is that really what the marches are for?

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:26

The support for a terrorist group like Hamas from the left side of politics in the U.K. has really really shocked me.

The bit I find disturbing is that the UK has clearly oppressed lots of nations/people so are more terrorist attacks here seen as justified? It’s also the same argument that fuels far right terrorism.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:26

Yes of course, but is that really what the marches are for?

Im not sure, I don’t think so but has anyone been on a march, know more?

Parkingt111 · 13/10/2023 06:27

The fact that Israel has just asked half of gaza to move to the other side, that's almost 1.1 million people in a move the UN has called impossible is more of a reason to protest. How people here have so little sympathy for Palestinians is shocking

ArseMenagerie · 13/10/2023 06:36

TenaciousTortoise · 13/10/2023 06:18

As an outsider, and again it may be my lack of understanding, I don’t see this being the dominant narrative.

To be protesting for Palestine at a time when a group claiming to represent Palestinians is massacring Jews is optically implying support for the terrorist organisation.

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Yes. The marches aren’t in support of Palestine - they are a celebration of Jewish deaths. Donate, don’t march to show support. My comment meant more the ordinary people who aren’t marching but care - I’d say the vast majority of people in the west are able to support Palestinian people rather than Hamas as well as condemn the terrorise atrocities and take a critical view of the Israeli government.

IveHadItUpToHere · 13/10/2023 06:36

TenaciousTortoise · 13/10/2023 06:18

As an outsider, and again it may be my lack of understanding, I don’t see this being the dominant narrative.

To be protesting for Palestine at a time when a group claiming to represent Palestinians is massacring Jews is optically implying support for the terrorist organisation.

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It is your lack of understanding. We have friends and family in Israel. They don't want Gaza razed to the ground. They don't support Netanyahu. Of course they want Hamas destroyed but they can see that murdering civilians in Gaza doesn't achieve that.
There is a very simplistic, anti-international law narrative being pushed and it is being amplified - perhaps deliberately, perhaps accidentally - by people with no connection, understanding or knowledge of the situation in Israel and Gaza. The loudest voices aren't the majority. In fact the majority voices urging restraint are being deliberately drowned out.

Parkingt111 · 13/10/2023 06:38

And move to where? The gaza strip is one of the most densely populated areas In the world. After bombing them, cutting them off from basic necessities such as food, water, electricity,
They now ask 1.1 million people to move
After closing their borders and not allowing them to leave
Where is the outrage? THIS IS A GENOCIDE

manova366 · 13/10/2023 06:39

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:26

Yes of course, but is that really what the marches are for?

Im not sure, I don’t think so but has anyone been on a march, know more?

I wouldn't go on these marches because the appropriate thing at this particular time is to be respectful of the people murdered in Israel less than a week ago, not use their deaths to rally for a political cause.
However, there's documented evidence that protesters at the Sydney march were chanting about killing Jews. There's footage of a Sydney imam at another gathering calling last saturday a day of celebration. There's been no evidence of any anti-Hamas signs or chants. These protesters think Hamas are fine, and they seem to be fine with last weekend's events. I'm guessing it would be exactly the same if they were allowed to protest in France.

TenaciousTortoise · 13/10/2023 06:39

Parkingt111 · 13/10/2023 06:27

The fact that Israel has just asked half of gaza to move to the other side, that's almost 1.1 million people in a move the UN has called impossible is more of a reason to protest. How people here have so little sympathy for Palestinians is shocking

I don’t think that people have no sympathy, I think that they’re reeling from the horror of what Hamas has done.

I think they’re struggling to cope with a disaster unfolding on a scale which actually many of us have never seen in our lifetime … and yes, this could very quickly become a massacre of an entirely different sort.

Again from an outsiders perspective though, isn’t Hamas more responsible for that than Israel though??

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:39

The fact that Israel has just asked half of gaza to move to the other side, that's almost 1.1 million people in a move the UN has called impossible is more of a reason to protest. How people here have so little sympathy for Palestinians is shocking

Why do you think people don’t have sympathy for ordinary Palestinians. Perhaps Eqypt will open their borders?

TenaciousTortoise · 13/10/2023 06:42

manova366 · 13/10/2023 06:39

I wouldn't go on these marches because the appropriate thing at this particular time is to be respectful of the people murdered in Israel less than a week ago, not use their deaths to rally for a political cause.
However, there's documented evidence that protesters at the Sydney march were chanting about killing Jews. There's footage of a Sydney imam at another gathering calling last saturday a day of celebration. There's been no evidence of any anti-Hamas signs or chants. These protesters think Hamas are fine, and they seem to be fine with last weekend's events. I'm guessing it would be exactly the same if they were allowed to protest in France.

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This is exactly my interpretation of the pro-Palestinian response (and I completely accept that they may be being infiltrated by extremists) and are the reason I am worried about them going ahead too.

I work at a very well known london university and they have issued a note to staff to advise caution for those planning on coming into campus this weekend.

Parkingt111 · 13/10/2023 06:43

@duchiebun the rafah border was partially bombed by Israel. Egypt has been working with other countries to try to negotiate a humanitarian border into Gaza,
The UN has said this move by Israel will cause catastrophic humanitarian consequences which I highly doubt they care

LuisVitton · 13/10/2023 06:45

Parkingt111 · 13/10/2023 06:43

@duchiebun the rafah border was partially bombed by Israel. Egypt has been working with other countries to try to negotiate a humanitarian border into Gaza,
The UN has said this move by Israel will cause catastrophic humanitarian consequences which I highly doubt they care

What can they do to clear guns and terrorists frpm Gaza?

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:47

@Parkingt111 its not all bombed though.

Egypt have an issue with HAMAS too which will impact their response won’t it?

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 06:47

Have any hostages been returned?

RigorMortisRadio · 13/10/2023 06:49

For the posters who reel out 'but Hamas are the elected govt', why do you think that proves hamas = all Palestinians?

A) it's from an election in the early 2000's with no opportunity to change this since

B) do you understand how elections work? Currently our elected government is the tories, a party I have never and will never support. Why should I be murdered because that is who my country is ran by even though I don't support them?