France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

Not the first time Israel has used it sadly. It was also used in 2018. UN called it deplorable but Israel doesn't care as long as US billions of dollars come flooding in.

I often wonder how the US population puts up with it. Poor housing, poor health care, masses of US people living in poverty but billions of dollars of "aid" going to Israel to buy weapons.

France is a very islamophobic country so this is no surprise. Forget political agendas and who is right or wrong. Look at some of the images coming from news agencies such as Al Jazeera. If you still agree with this level of human suffering you must be an extremely cruel individual.

This pro Israel demo called for the genocide of Palestinians, the bombing of Gaza until it looks “like a parking lot” and for the death of all Arabs. I have seen other similar videos online. I haven’t seen any country mention the potential banning of these demos yet whereas somebody got arrested up north earlier for being in possession of a Palestine flag.

Sorry to disappoint you but I find it as easy to condemn the dehumanising of Palestinians as I do antisemitism.

Some of us are appalled and heart sick about ALL the human suffering in Israel/Gaza.

This thread is about pro Palestine demonstrations.

But sadly Israel has done just this. In Israel people are not allowed to talk about the Nakba, which was the mass eviction of Palestinians from their homes and the demolition of this homes to make settlements for Jews. Do you defend this action?

Or should we just pretend it never happened?

Pretty sure if someone evicted you from your home and claimed it as their own and then said that you had to leave your country and then refused to let you ever come back into your country, you wouldn't be happy about it to say the least.

Zionists have stolen the lands of Palestinians since 1948. Are you familiar with the illegal Israeli settlements on the West Bank? Have you heard of UN resolution 242?

Never mind Deir Yassein. If this horrible massacre hadn't happened, the history of Palestine would have been very different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

You can post that as much as you like, there were plenty of massacres of Jews by Arabs too. There's a list on wiki, sample below.

We could play ping pong all day about which massacre was worse but I won't because I know it's not just ONE side at fault, it's both. As the list shows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

Yes, I think civilised Western countries will bann gatherings that are likely to attract violence in the street and spew Antisemetic opinions, or promote hatred of any other race.
Maintaining peaceful communities is foremost.

Hamas obviously thought that the atrocities they committed on kibutz would attract pay back, thus, they kidnapped people to sway Israel to be gentle and careful in their attack.

Israel needs to hunt down Hamas who have fled back amongst their own civilian population in Gaza. They have endangered their own civilians; that is also atrocious behaviour. The losers are the ordinary folk through no fault of their own.

France does well to contain adulation of killing and threat to civilian life.

It was Deir Yassein that started this whole horrible mess

I think this might be under estimated as a pertinent barrier to peace.

Nakba was unequivocally wrong. I can acknowledge that the Jewish people had been persecuted both in ME and Europe and that wanting a state and safety in light of that was not unreasonable. But nobody can convince me that the ends justified the means, you cannot use persecution to legitimise theft and the abuse of another people. Victimisation does not make one superior.

I honestly don’t see a solution that is going to be fair to the Palestinian people. Israel will never consent to right of return but at the very least if you are going to offer a substandard solution acknowledge this wrongdoing in the same fashion it is expected for Palestine to acknowledge Israel.

Hamas have a charter against Israel and against zionism not against Jews.
Hating what Israel is doing is not (automatically) antisemitic - even supporting Hamas is not automatically anti-semitic - although i would imagine the overlap is huge.

The whole coverage has been really divisive, What Hamas did is horrific. Israel's retaliation has been horrific ( and their treatment of the Palestinian people before this wave was awful). I have Jewish acquaintances on social media saying they don't want anything to do with anyone who says that Israel's response is disproportionate who say that Palestinian civilian deaths are anyway comparable to Israeli civilian deaths. Governments seem to be rightfully condemning what Hamas did- eg atrocities against civilians but saying silent on the fact that Israel is doing the same.
I think people have the right to react against what Israel are doing but they should not target Jewish people because of this (which is happening)

Forty percent of Gaza's population are under the age of 14.

Just wanted to say that for those claiming that Hamas in anyway is representative of the civilians living there, or talking about them being elected.

"Hamas have a charter against Israel and against zionism not against Jews."
Hamas's 1988 charter says this:
"Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised....."

"Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." "

The 2017 document backpedals that, but the violent words above can't be unwritten. The actions of last weekend tell the world that Hamas is still driven by the sentiments above.

Is that the same Supreme court where murderous dictator wannabe Netanyahu dried to get rid of only a few weeks ago.

I lived in Israel in the 2000's and remember the events well.

Israel pulled out of Gaza in September 2005 so that the Palestinians could self govern there.

After an interim period, in 2007 the Gazan Palestinians voted in the terrorist organisation Hamas as their government. There have not been any elections since.

They didn't have a huge amount of choice on the vote it has to be said, the other choice was Fatah and known Fatah supporters were pushed off the top of buildings.

Once Israel pulled out of Gaza the number of rocket attacks on Israel increased, and increased further once Hamas were in control. Hamas used international aid money and construction materials imported for civil building projects to build rockets and extensive tunnel network underneath Gaza and into Israel, one such tunnel came up under a kids nursery. In response to all this Israel has tightly controlled the border and put in sensors to detect activity underground. Gaza also has a border with Egypt and Egypt find the activity and weapons smuggling coming in and out of Gaza problematic that they also tightly control their border.

Meanwhile in these past 17 years, the population of Gaza, already crowded, has almost doubled due to a high birth rate.

Have the Palestinians suffered in all this? Yes.

Perhaps now that they have shown what they are really like, people understand exactly why Hamas were kept locked in Gaza.

Hamas do not safeguard or improve the lives of their own people but they radicalise their population and offer financial settlements to families that send family members to kill Jews.

Their sole aims are to eradicate Jews from Israel, reject all peace proposals and turn Israel into another country of radical Islam.

The Gazan Palestinian people would have hope of a better future without Hamas, providing their next government was a moderate one, which is unlikely to exist in that region.

Good for France 🇫🇷👍

Lots of people do think being pro Palestine is anti Zionist and therefore anti semitic. It's what initially got Jeremy Corbyn into trouble isn't it?

What Hamas did was horrific.

I've been disgusted however by some tweets I've read of people urging Israel to raze Gaza and everyone in it to the ground. Mostly from Americans. It's like Palestinians aren't humans.

Thanks for an informative post. It sounds like civilians in Gaza have no choice on their govt if there's not been an election for 17 years. Which makes it even worse that that are being attacked.

France is edging towards a far right government, is it any surprise they’re supporting Israel which has a far right government?

Both enjoy curbing freedom for Muslim people.

I think it's a bad move for France and I really hope it doesn't happen here in the UK. People feeling silenced and that they cannot express their frustrations is never a good thing IMO.

Supporting Palestine does not automatically make someone anti semetic unless you believe that this Jewish man is also anti semetic? https://twitter.com/Sa91af/status/1712641076501033218

And before anyone asks, no, I don't support the killing of innocent babies on either side and I am disgusted that Jewish people worldwide are now living in fear. The whole situation is devastating and it breaks my heart that while I'll go to bed shortly feeling safe in my own home there are people out there who won't survive the night.

The state of Israel has a duty of care to its citizens. If their policy was to take no retaliatory action against Hamas due to the effect on the innocent Palestinian people it worldwide only embolden Hamas, resulting in further attacks against Israelis.

Thats not to say I support all types of retaliation, I definitely don’t, the effects on civilians must be minimised. But it is difficult when Hamas hide weapons in schools and have a headquarters in a hospital in the hope this will deter Israel from destroying what would otherwise be only military targets. They truly have no regard for the lives of the ordinary Palestinians they should be governing.

It is horrific, sadly the only end I can see to the cycle of violence is for the Palestinian people to stamp out the Iran backed extremists currently ‘governing’ Gaza themselves.

As for people stating Jewish people have no need to be afraid in the UK. I don’t agree at all after some of the celebrations worldwide this weekend, ie ‘gas the Jews’ being chanted in Australia, and a huge rise in antisemitic attacks here in the UK. I saw in London yesterday people ripping posters with the names and pictures of some of the abducted children off the wall.

They were one of the early instigators of partitioning off Palestine along with good old Blighty.
So it’s not surprising that they are trying to surprise pro Palestinian rallies.

There’s a big difference between Jews and Zionists.
Jews want the peaceful removal of Israel as a separate state.
Zionists want an apartheid state.
The far right in Israel are Zionists
Heres some demonstrators at London Pro Palestinian rally in London

Baby murders are baby murders, deliberately targeting babies in their cribs and then desecrating their bodies is barbarity beyond the pale, as is the raping and murder of the young female victims, whose bodies were also desecrated and put on display, each and every one of the murdering bastards has a bullet with their name on it, the sooner it is delivered the better for civilisation!