France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

I notice in that word salad of a post that you completely omitted to acknowledge Hamas have never ever entered peace talks.
Their only agenda is to kill every Jew. It’s in their charter.

Israel was in peace talks at the time of the atrocity. They have shown willing to compromise. Hamas and by extension Gaza never have.

No they haven't routinely targetted citizens - & when did they raid gaza & rape & torture women in their homes & at a festival & kidnap babies to use as human shields? Both sides are guilty of atrocities in conflict situations. The difference is it is Hamas's modus operandi to embed themselves in hospitals & civilian areas to act as human sheilds. Israel also gives warnings. Hamas does not. Hamas's stated aim is to destroy israel & kill Jews, backed by Iran whose stated aim is the same.

No to supporting terrorism on either side. Hamas wants to deny Israel the right to exist . After centuries of pogroms the Jewish people have a right to a homeland. The British have played a part in this don’t forget. And how does attacking Jewish homes and businesses in London or Paris help the people of Gaza?

Please read my thread more carefully - just because you don’t like it’s contents doesn’t make it word salad. Makes for uncomfortable reading?

You will see that I have said that Palestinians have been failed by lack of effective leaders.

As for the peace talks with US and Saudi Arabia - from what I read the discussions were primarily about normalisation of the relationship with Saudi Arabia and Israel. Israel’s actions have led to a pause in these talks.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudis-said-to-put-israel-normalization-talks-on-ice-amid-gaza-war/amp/

I can't even begin to argue with your ignorance. It's exhausting.

And your lies are just crazy. And repetitive.

Israel needs to stop committing war crimes, stop bombing civilian populations, stop starving people and cutting off the water supplies that they control in their entirety while bleating about Hamas.

When the monster that is the Israeli regime becomes civilized maybe there can be peace.

Here is a Palestinian Jew talking about what needs to happen. Maybe you will listen to him.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyO5CzYLlXN/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

So you acknowledge one of the main reasons why there has been no peace agreement to date is because Hamas and by extension Gaza refuse to engage?

Both the United Nations, Amnesty International and other organisations have categorically said that Israel is an Apartheid state.

You can’t begin to argue because it is true. The people of Gaza are being failed in every single way by Hamas.

Bullshit

It was a UN resolution that founded new Israel in 1948. You are really posting massive inaccuracies. Much of Israel and Palestine are refugees.

As are your numerous posts. Asking stupid questions. Go and do some reading and find out how Gaza has been occupied.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights

now your sources to say this is bullshit ?

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And the people of Gaza are being massacred by Israel, and not for the first time.

But I am sure you will find a way to blame the Palestinians for being bombed to destruction. Your previous posts smack of total ignorance.

I used to believe that you could be pro-Palestine and not anti-Semetic but the last few days have persuaded me otherwise.

As soon as those attacks happened there were people flooding on to Mumsnet to say if hadn’t happened. And if it did happened then the footage we were seeing was fake. Or actually this is Israel’s fault and they should just accept it and not retaliate. Actually wait, they did this to themselves and they are the worst evil and Hamas did the right thing.

It is still going on- all over Mumsnet. The horrific DARVO because people are so desperate to not examine what they believe or question what they’ve read.

I don’t think Gaza should be destroyed because of what Hamas did. But I do think that this incident has lifted the veil on the intense anti-semetism that exists in our society. If it was any other group of people being spat on in the streets or having posters ripped down or being taunted by activists about dead relatives then we’d all be up in arms.

It isn’t nice to feel like a bigot. But that is exactly what many people are showing themselves to be. And it is actually hugely damaging to the Palestinian cause and the entire situation.

@Lastchancechica
I hope the Israeli hostages are returned safely.
The attack by Hamas was horrific and has caused Israelis a lot of pain.
I’m going to leave this thread now.

Breaking news ;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12630671/Former-Hamas-leader-Khaled-Meshaal-proud-terrorists-killed-kidnapped-Israelis-saying-soldiers-civilians-enemies.html?ito=windows-widget-p

I know it will be utterly hopeless trying to drag this thread back to anything close to it's original topic but I'll try ..for info:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-mobilises-7000-troops-extra-security-patrols-2023-10-14/

WTAF?????

Are you surprised that a former leader of hamas supports what hamas did last week? Who would have thought that 🤦🏻‍♀️

I hope too that the lives of those in Gaza are cared for and preserved.
I hope they have a government that actually represents and cares for them.

I pray that their much of the disputed land is returned and peace will return to both countries. That is my hope too.

On dear, another thread where people who sadly know absolutely nothing about the history of this conflict throw about sound bites and ill-informed armchair opinions.
Bonus points for the next person who says 'Genocide, open-air prison or apartheid state'.

For the record, no, I don't wish to see protests banned but I do wish to see protests like the one in London yesterday banned. People were shouting 'back to 1940' and making references to the Holocaust and other anti-Semitic slurs. There should be no place in a civil society for that, ever.

This would be true if it was white supremacists or any other racist organisation making revolting remarks about another ethnicity.

And please don't say, 'well Israel did X, Y or Z' when you don't hold other countries to the same standard. Racism is vile and we should have zero tolerance for it, wherever it presents itself. If you think otherwise or secretly believe the Israelis deserve it, then you sadly are part of the problem.