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France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

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NotSuchASmugMarried · 12/10/2023 21:54

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

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Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:07

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:04

I constantly hear "what should Israel do?" with blame being apportioned to Hamas, Iran, you name it. But there is a real unwillingness to look at the inhumane conditions that have been created by Israel fro the Palestinian people.

The list is long, but let's start with:

Stop building illegal settlements on Palestinian land and shipping in foreigners to displace indigenous people.
Stop Apartheid in Israel where people are treated differently based on whether they are Arab or Palestinian and whether they are Jewish.
Stop arming settlers and allowing them to get away with harming Palestinian children, including the elderly and children.
Don't pretend you want peace and then refuse to treat Palestinians with dignity.

I could go on and on. It's like apologists for Israel turn a blind eye to daily inhumane treatment of Palestinians and the throw their hands up saying what can we do.

Its like a man terrorising his household on a daily basis, brutally beating his wife and kids, keeping them under an iron fist and then crying to his community that his family don't love him.

I have been utterly shocked at the lack of empathy and sheer rewriting of history that some supporters of the Israeli regime have shown on MN. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

The world has seen the cruelty that Netanyahu and his government is capable of. History will not judge Israel kindly.

Can you please answer the question. Why is Israel expected to provide food, water and electricity to another country that spends its entire budget on rockets to kill Israelis?

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:09

Lastchancechica · 13/10/2023 21:26

What do you thibj Hamas hoped to achieve?

Let us not forget that Hamas was set up by Netanyahu. Alot of the blame for the mess that is Israel today lies with this war criminal who has flouted UN resolution after resolution.

He has whipped up a right wing feeding fascist frenzy to gain popularity and has increasingly dehumanised Palestinians people and robbed them of their homes, their land and their dignity.

Shame on this war criminal and all his apologists. You don't get to paint him as a hero.

Edited to correct 3 typos.

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:10

If the people of Gaza live in inhumane conditions it is because they have a non functional jhadi government spending the countries money on rocket launchers instead of food, water and internet services for the people. The inhumane conditions are being created by Hamas not Israel!

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:11

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:10

If the people of Gaza live in inhumane conditions it is because they have a non functional jhadi government spending the countries money on rocket launchers instead of food, water and internet services for the people. The inhumane conditions are being created by Hamas not Israel!

This is a lie and you know it.

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:12

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:09

Let us not forget that Hamas was set up by Netanyahu. Alot of the blame for the mess that is Israel today lies with this war criminal who has flouted UN resolution after resolution.

He has whipped up a right wing feeding fascist frenzy to gain popularity and has increasingly dehumanised Palestinians people and robbed them of their homes, their land and their dignity.

Shame on this war criminal and all his apologists. You don't get to paint him as a hero.

Edited to correct 3 typos.

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Answer the question. Why does Israel have to provide for another country whose only government charter is to kill as many as possible?

Towerofsong · 15/10/2023 06:14

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:04

I constantly hear "what should Israel do?" with blame being apportioned to Hamas, Iran, you name it. But there is a real unwillingness to look at the inhumane conditions that have been created by Israel fro the Palestinian people.

The list is long, but let's start with:

Stop building illegal settlements on Palestinian land and shipping in foreigners to displace indigenous people.
Stop Apartheid in Israel where people are treated differently based on whether they are Arab or Palestinian and whether they are Jewish.
Stop arming settlers and allowing them to get away with harming Palestinian children, including the elderly and children.
Don't pretend you want peace and then refuse to treat Palestinians with dignity.

I could go on and on. It's like apologists for Israel turn a blind eye to daily inhumane treatment of Palestinians and the throw their hands up saying what can we do.

Its like a man terrorising his household on a daily basis, brutally beating his wife and kids, keeping them under an iron fist and then crying to his community that his family don't love him.

I have been utterly shocked at the lack of empathy and sheer rewriting of history that some supporters of the Israeli regime have shown on MN. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

The world has seen the cruelty that Netanyahu and his government is capable of. History will not judge Israel kindly.

There is no apartheid within Israel. Palestinians /Israeli Arabs travel on the same buses, work in the same businesses, use the same health services and hospitals. Live in the same towns.

Is there discrimination? Yes, the same as there is in many other countries. Is there significant room for improvement in this? Yes, the same as in many other countries.

But it is NOT apartheid.

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:17

@Lastchancechica your bias is sickening. You are sprouting lies as if they are clear truths. You do know that Israel have administered a blockade on gaza for many years? The UN have rightfully been condemning the actions of Israel. But clearly you know better?

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:19

When you keep on bleating well what else cam Israel do this is what you condone

She added: "Israel has already carried out mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians under the fog of war. Again, in the name of self-defence, Israel is seeking to justify what would amount to ethnic cleansing.
"Any continued military operations by Israel have gone well beyond the limits of international

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:20

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:17

@Lastchancechica your bias is sickening. You are sprouting lies as if they are clear truths. You do know that Israel have administered a blockade on gaza for many years? The UN have rightfully been condemning the actions of Israel. But clearly you know better?

Answer the question.

Why should Israel be expected to provide for Gaza whilst their government Hamas spends every last dollar on rocket launchers to kill and maim Israelis??

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:22

@Lastchancechica I'm not answering that question because the premise of it is a lie.

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:25

@Lastchancechica do you condone the current ethnic cleansing of the people of Gaza?

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:29

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:22

@Lastchancechica I'm not answering that question because the premise of it is a lie.

Answer the question.

Why should Israel continue to provide for another country that continues to spend its aid and budget on rocket launchers to kill Israeli babies?

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:29

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:25

@Lastchancechica do you condone the current ethnic cleansing of the people of Gaza?

Answer my question.

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:31

@Lastchancechica your arrogance is disgusting. You demand all and sundry to answer your questions based on the premises of lies but refuse to answer any yourself. I will no longer be engaging with you. I hope you take some time out to reflect on the hate you have inside you

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:37

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:29

Answer the question.

Why should Israel continue to provide for another country that continues to spend its aid and budget on rocket launchers to kill Israeli babies?

This is utterly shameful propoganda.

Please stop justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and pretending it is all Hamas's fault.

Israel has refused to talk to any Palestinian leadership. There has always been a bigger agenda, dehumaize Palestinians, treat them as second class citizens, make their day to day life hell and grab as much land as possibly by building illegal settlements.

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:40

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:31

@Lastchancechica your arrogance is disgusting. You demand all and sundry to answer your questions based on the premises of lies but refuse to answer any yourself. I will no longer be engaging with you. I hope you take some time out to reflect on the hate you have inside you

You are STILL not answering a fundamental question.

Why should Israel continue to provide for Gaza when the money and aid is being used to murder thousands of Israeli and western people?

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:43

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:37

This is utterly shameful propoganda.

Please stop justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and pretending it is all Hamas's fault.

Israel has refused to talk to any Palestinian leadership. There has always been a bigger agenda, dehumaize Palestinians, treat them as second class citizens, make their day to day life hell and grab as much land as possibly by building illegal settlements.

That is a lie. Israel was in peace talks with Saudi and the US at the time of the Hamas terrorist attack. Israel have always been open to dialogue. It is Hamas thar have refused outright to even enter talks. It is Hamas that has a charter to kill all Jews not the other way around.

It is astounding to me that you can post such nonsense. Hamas have always blocked the peace process. They are sponsored by Iran and Iran has no interest in peace that’s for sure!

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:50

@Lastchancechica ISRAEL IS BLOCKING AID FROM COMING INTO A WAR TORN COUNTRY
do you not read the news? Children are dying? They are blocking food and medicine coming in.
AID FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
And I don't know why you continue to ask me why Israel should provide aid when I didn't mention that anywhere but refuse to answer any of my questions
Also well done for continuing to expose your war mongering self on here. People can see you for who you are

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:53

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:50

@Lastchancechica ISRAEL IS BLOCKING AID FROM COMING INTO A WAR TORN COUNTRY
do you not read the news? Children are dying? They are blocking food and medicine coming in.
AID FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
And I don't know why you continue to ask me why Israel should provide aid when I didn't mention that anywhere but refuse to answer any of my questions
Also well done for continuing to expose your war mongering self on here. People can see you for who you are

Are you going to answer the question?

Why should Israel provide for Gaza when the government of that country uses its budget to murder Israeli children?

It is a simple question.

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:59

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:12

Answer the question. Why does Israel have to provide for another country whose only government charter is to kill as many as possible?

Israel has stolen land and resources. Israel has set up blockades and checkpoints. Israel has prevented Palestinians from moving freely and fromtrading.

What the f+++ do you expect them to do? How can they thrive in these conditions?

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 07:01

Parkingt111 · 15/10/2023 06:31

@Lastchancechica your arrogance is disgusting. You demand all and sundry to answer your questions based on the premises of lies but refuse to answer any yourself. I will no longer be engaging with you. I hope you take some time out to reflect on the hate you have inside you

This 100%

Covetthee · 15/10/2023 07:05

@Lastchancechica repeating your stupid question over and over again doesn’t prove a point.

its not about israel providing for gaza its about allowing them to have access to things to aid from orher countries! they have stopped people from
getting food and water, do you honestly now see how barbaric that is!?

Whilst no one should condone the events that happend on saturday as it is truly despicable that either side can so easily kill innocents,

people and muslims are truly desperate for help for the Palestinian people. Its not hard to see they are the true sufferers in all this. anyone says anything about israel is suddenly antisemitic yet no mention of islamaphobia in all this.

Just looking at the death toll and you can see who has truly suffered the worst in this power grab

France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations
Happyvalleyfan · 15/10/2023 07:11

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 06:20

Answer the question.

Why should Israel be expected to provide for Gaza whilst their government Hamas spends every last dollar on rocket launchers to kill and maim Israelis??

The answer to this question is easy.

Do you consider Israel a civilised state? Do you want to add to the siege to the list of war crimes that the International Court in Hague had already been asked to consider. Do you want it to go down in history that Israel was it self responsible for genocide?

The accepted definition of genocide includes:

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

The funding for the weapons will not have come from ordinary citizens- the average salary is about $7,000- that doesn’t buy many weapons, and half the population is made up of kids. The funding will come from others in the Middle East and further afield - who are likely to respond to recent events by further opening up their coffers.

The lack of effective leadership in Israel have undoubtedly affected the ability to move forward to a 2 state solution- but Israel has firstly not showed good faith in the expansion of settlements (60 % of the West Bank is under Israeli control) but also has not been willing to compromise and meet Palestinian demands - eg right of return of Palestinian refugees stuck in refugee camps.

As for the poster who said there was no apartheid @Towerofsong - please read the following

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/19/israel-apartheid-state-south-africa-netanyahu

I have long rejected claims that Israel is an apartheid state. Now I believe that is where it is heading | Israel | The Guardian

I grew up in South Africa, and vigorously refuted parallels with Israel. But in the Netanyahu era, the charge is becoming fact, says writer Benjamin Pogrund

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/19/israel-apartheid-state-south-africa-netanyahu

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 07:13

FairylightsandHygge · 15/10/2023 06:59

Israel has stolen land and resources. Israel has set up blockades and checkpoints. Israel has prevented Palestinians from moving freely and fromtrading.

What the f+++ do you expect them to do? How can they thrive in these conditions?

They could start by having a proper government representing them? Not a terrorist organisation operating out of Iran maybe?

If you are genuinely looking for ways to improve the lives of the people of Gaza then start there, because for the last 17 years they have had to fend for themselves as Hamas choose to spend aid on rocket launchers instead of medicine and vital infrastructure.

Lastchancechica · 15/10/2023 07:14

Covetthee · 15/10/2023 07:05

@Lastchancechica repeating your stupid question over and over again doesn’t prove a point.

its not about israel providing for gaza its about allowing them to have access to things to aid from orher countries! they have stopped people from
getting food and water, do you honestly now see how barbaric that is!?

Whilst no one should condone the events that happend on saturday as it is truly despicable that either side can so easily kill innocents,

people and muslims are truly desperate for help for the Palestinian people. Its not hard to see they are the true sufferers in all this. anyone says anything about israel is suddenly antisemitic yet no mention of islamaphobia in all this.

Just looking at the death toll and you can see who has truly suffered the worst in this power grab

But Israel are providing vital services and support to Gaza. That is the whole point here!!

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