France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

I feel genuinely awful for Israel.
Fearful for the innocents in Gaza.
Fucking beyond furious with Hamas that have created all this.

Israel couldn’t give a shit about Palestinian lives.

I’ll concede their strategy to corral Palestinians like dogs in 5% of their originally owned land, force them to attack when cornered, and then commit genocide of a million lives whilst the world watches idly is working for Israel.

I think you will find I am not unique in calling for restraint in the face of a humanitarian disaster in Gaza. I don’t need to point out to you those who are raising concerns. Do you think the UN is an offensive organisation?
It is good to see our PM finally realising the need for this and showing considered leadership.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/13/greant-shapps-backs-israel-gaza-evacuation-order

What do you thibj Hamas hoped to achieve?

@Zarah123 Im not going to engage with you. I can tell from your posts that you are intent on blaming Israel - for being attacked by Hamas. Ridiculous. Bye Zarah.

I realise your view isn't unique, there a lots of people who concerned for Palestinians. I wish it went both ways for all involved, but realise some people just won't acknowledge the situation Israel is in and the trauma Israeli's have been put through - those who haven't been murdered already that is.

I also would like to see Israel be able to step back. I wish we could go back a week and save the 3000+ lives that have already been lost on both sides.

I'd love nothing more than to hear that a peace treaty has been signed.

But no good will happen will Hamas is still in leadership. It's almost like expecting Russian and Ukrainian presidents to suddenly find peace and get on. All the while Putin is around, Ukrainians couldn't forgive.

This is the situation now. Hamas have fucked over Israel and Israel can't forgive which is understandable.

It comes down to;. What can Israel do now? How can they trust Hamas as neighbours? This is why there are wars taking place across the world all the time. Managing conflict isn't easy, especially so when fighting over land that both parties are entitled too for different reasons and with different historical heritages.

What should Netanyahu be doing that's less oppressive but equally keeps his nation safe?

I support the behind the scenes diplomatic efforts that are being hinted at in the press. I would say the way to disempower Hamas is to understand why Palestinians are resorting to supporting them.

Perhaps Israel need to negotiate on what would be an acceptable two state solution for the Palestinians.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/11/arab-ministers-urge-israel-to-resume-talks-on-two-state-solution

Because you know Israel is genocidal.

Israelis post videos of bragging about having access to water

Truly a morally bankrupt regime

https://twitter.com/qudsnen/status/1712458867446305139?s=21

Laughing about Palestinian lack of access to water

Israel should never have support Hamas in the first place. They should have allowed the PLO to continue to govern Palestine but they feared them as their leader Abbas was moving forward to a two state solution.

Now that they have done that they should lift the siege on Gaza, stick to the borders and protect them with their world class military powers.

At least this Israeli and many on Twitter are honest that they’re rejoicing in the annihilation of Palestinians.

I actually prefer that to the mealy mouthed, butter wouldn’t melt ‘what do you expect Israel to do?’ platitudes from the pro-Israeli cohort here. Just be honest.

Israel is genocidal but Hamas who brutally murdered 1000+ men, women, children and babies. Including heavily pregnant women and who are holding 150 hostages Including children, including toddlers are not?

I abhor the death of everyone of those 1000 Israelis.

But what about the 248 Palestinians killed in 2023 by Israel prior to the attacks by Hamas?

I believe an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. But why is only Israel allowed to retaliate? Why is revenge only allowed for Israelis?

The Muslim world has its own problems with extremism they aren't going to want more, notice the West Bank isn't being bombed. This is a badly executed hunt for terrorists I.e Hamas like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. What needs to end is the calls for Jihad and a push for peace in the modern world. Hamas don't want that and are using civilians as human shields. Israel has had enough and is pushing back. We caused civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan btw

IRA - British
Hitler - German the source of all this
Gadafi - Libya
Osama - Saudi
Saddem -Iraq
Hamas - Palestinian
Musab (ISIS) - Jordan
Bali - al-qaeda
Morocco - al-q
Madrid - Al-Q
Oslo - Norway
Balsam - Checan
7/7 - Islamic extremism
Sini Mosque - Islamic extremism

Swap the word Israel for Palestine in your thread - this really is the reality for Palestinians. They actually have lost homes on a huge scale - over 6 million displaced in other countries as refugees with no right to return. Their houses are being bull dozed. Their lives are a daily hell at check points.

So, so sad.

They are treated as less than animals. If you watch the mainstream news you will never see the reality of what Palestinians put up with every day. But thanks to social media some of the horrors have been captured using people's mobile phones, although really hard to watch, especially the abuse and mistreatment that little Palestinian kids get at the hands of grown Israeli men and women as well as the IDF.

We could go round and round in circles. You could argue that when you have lost everything, as many Palestinians have, from your home, to your family being killed, and at the end your very dignity because you cannot walk freely in your country without a soldier shoving a gun in your face, what do you have to live for.

Its as if the media and some posters on here can only feel sympathy for Israelis but nothing for Palestinians. And some view them with contempt, even dehumanising them.

I would urge everyone to listen to what Gabor Mate, a trauma specialist and holocaust survivor has to say about how Palestinians are treated by Israelis. We owe it to ourselves to be educated and seek the truth, not just to believe everything the media wants us to.

interesting contributors on Moral Maze prog on radio4
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/moral-maze/id478257574?i=1000631091020

@Happyvalleyfan whilst a two state solution sounds brilliant in theory, it isn't possible. It's been talked about for decades and decades. It's not a new concept. It hasn't work. It won't work.

How can you have a two state solution when one side is run by terrorists?

@FairylightsandHygge have you even acknowledged the Israeli suffering yet? Or are you only seeing this from a Palestinian perspective?

What is your solution? Should Israel give up their homeland? Would that make you happy?

Where should Jews go? Muslims have a vast stretch of the the earth; where should Jews go?

Whilst I acknowledge I'm biased, so are you. You are blinkered. You are defending the nation that has terrorists at its heart. You seem to think Israel is to blame for Hamas murdering its innocent victims last weekend. Is everything Israel's fault? Does no responsibility lie with Palestinians or even more so with Hamas?

I hope your family and friends stay safe their whole lives. How would you feel if someone stabbed your mum to death, but then you found out they had a hard life. Would you blame social services and wish the murderer a great evening and move on? No prison for them, they're a product of their upbringing, not their fault they lost it and stabbed mum. 🙄 Israel has a right to want to eradicate Hamas. Israel has a right to exist. Israeli's have a right to future safety.

If Palestinians want future safety, maybe they should be asking for international help to get rid of Hamas.

Perhaps Israel need to negotiate on what would be an acceptable two state solution for the Palestinians.

There is no acceptable two state solution for Hamas. They want Israel eradicated and will not do peace talks. It's literally in their charter

I think that is it.

Hamas’ negotiating tactic is to murder babies. In a modern society this is globally unacceptable, they are not representing the people of Gaza or moving their future forward, nor are they protecting their interests or even their lives. They are just continually bombing and killing people as a way to drive Israel away which will never succeed.

If Gaza were able to have an election and vote for a government that was more moderate there could be a chance of real peace. Hamas would likely still exist in some capacity as a small cell, but it would have much less power and influence, and I imagine would lose much of its funding.

Hamas is classified already as a terrorist organisation - with the help of the people of Gaza we should assist to offer them other options that are free of violence and death.

This is a problem in a nutshell.

I think Israel and Palestine should Co exist. I think the people of Palestine should be able to trade, go about their business, build hospitals and schools without worrying that they will be blown up by Israeli bombs. I think they should be treated like human beings and not oppressed and terrorised in their homeland.

I think that the only solution is a two state solution, but it has to be done in good faith. Sadly Israel has only paid lip service to it while pretending that it is the Palestinians who do not want this.

I hate war and destruction, I hate seeing people get murdered on both sides - it is a tragedy.

Sadly Israel wants the whole of the area including the Al Aqsa mosque. This is why there has not been a solution. You only have to look at the 1948 map and what Palestine has been reduced to to clearly see who is the aggressor.

Also, can we please remember that Hamas was created and funded by Netanyahu. It is all very well to want Hamas gone now. Believe me, most Palestinians do not support Hamas.

The problem is that whoever they vote for, Israel refuses to taln to them.

I also wish you and your family well.