France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

Incredibly we are likely to hear on here as sad as it is the perpetrator was forced to do it because Palestine needs defending. The whole thing sickens me, and every thread is littered with apologists.

Utterly predictable unfortunately. France has serious problems with Islamic extremism.

What alternatives do you suggest Israel have? Should they sit back and just be bombed until Israeli's either die or flee? Where should they go?

Why should Israeli's take the higher ground when they stand to lose everything?

It's just hypocrisy. Israeli's should just put up with whatever Hamas do. And people will continue to accept any terrorism in the name of fighting for Palestinian rights.

Hamas won't negotiate. Israel have tried and it won't work. So what should they do?

This isnt theoretical. This isn't a debate. This is real life where family are murdered, homes destroyed, people hurt and Jews around the world suffering from rising hate crimes.

This is serious. I'd love to hear your suggestions.

Because they (IDF) does so in response to their (HAMAS sympathizing Palestinian) child soldiers shooting at them 😩

Honestly!!! do you suggest they just do nothing when a boy points a machine gun at them, because they are children? Yes they are children, but they are brainwashed to join and fight for their absurd beliefs.

and show me a headline where it states IDF has shot INFANTS.

“Children occasionally deploy suicide bombs and fight in attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians. Moreover, all major political parties, including Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, involve youngsters in this way.” - borgenproject.org

I can see why France has banned protests. Tensions are high and unfortunately these protests seem to get ugly really quickly.

In the last week we saw pro Palestinian protests in Sydney where there were chants of ‘fuck the Jews’ and ‘gas the Jews’. The protest in New York City where a Swastika was held up and Israeli’s were laughed at and one man shouted ‘you’re done’ repeatedly at them.
There is also a video from Florida of a young man playing a clip of a dead Israeli soldier on his phone and shouting ‘is that your boy?’ Whilst laughing before giving the finger.
I don’t understand how any of it is about showing support to ordinary Palestinians. It’s abhorrent that there’s such hatred and venom about. No wonder Jewish people are scared and governments need to stand up to this antisemitic rhetoric.

Today I’ve seen a clip of a protest happening this afternoon in Nottingham where the police were getting pushed back and hit with bottles and other things being thrown. Oh and at speakers corner yesterday an angry man told a Christian man he hates him amongst a plethora of other shocking things.

https://x.com/daveatherton20/status/1712487544040903023?s=46&t=vOA85PMJFmuZ4ETKPS05GA

And this is the reality. This is what it's really about. This is what it's always been about.

There are oppressed people all over the world. It's awful but it's common. Most of the time, there's even less "good" reason than that in Israel/Gaza. Where are all the posts about them? Where are the protests?

It's BS. Most people who are "siding with Palestinians" know nothing about the conflict of history that preceded it. They don't care most days of the year, but if there's unrest in the middle east, out of the woodwork they come.

And inevitably the protests go from caring about Palestinians (and conveniently ignoring the slaughter of Jews) to hate speech.

It's so obvious and it's so sad.

And it's shameful of them. At a time when thousands of innocent people, many of the young - on both sides - have died, they choose to be "pro-palestinian" and excuse Hamas' actions in the name of Palestinians. When they should be fighting for peace. For humanity. For kindness. For both sides. That's surely what they'd want, if they truly cared.

C'est juste déchirant

In the summer of 2014 alone, 180 Palestinian infants and children aged 0-5 were murdered by the IOF. Do you really want me to list the total number per year since 1948?

www.btselem.org/2014_gaza_conflict/en/

A quick Google of a few of the many massacres that the IOF have carried out:

Kafr Qasi massacre - all peaceful Palestinian villagers, 23 children amongst those killed by Israel Border Force on orders from Israeli military commanders, who imposed a sudden curfew on residents – including people returning home from work and school, who could not have known the curfew had already gone into effect.

Bahr El-Baqar primary school bombing - 46 children died, 50 seriously injured after five bombs and two missiles landed on a single-story school consisting of three classrooms.

Massacre of Ibrahim al-Maqadma Mosque - six children killed whilst performing their evening prayers.

I just want to add I have a fried who works for the Israeli embassy (and literally is not even pro-Israel or anything, it's just a job) and she is too scared to go to work, this is largely due to the protests they had there a few days ago (and ongoing, but initially they made a few arrests).

Another employee at the Israeli embassy in Beijing was stabbed. These are people who are only working there for a paycheck and shouldn't have to be exposed to people's private agendas.
If they want to protest they need to do this peacefully and not harass employees. it is not acceptable.

I don't understand why this needs to turn into the oppression Olympics.

I have my own questions as to why I saw civilians spit and film the corpse of that German festival-goer. I wonder whether they even see women as human. It has painted them in a very negative light, this is a separate issue from the current war Israel is engaging in which is not justified either.

I was quite shocked to see my social media flooded by pro-palestine posts without even acknowledging the hostages and the rapes first. I had to watch a video of a hamas fighter decapitate a Filipino the other day. what is their problem with Filipinos, Nepalese and Thais? They are among the hostages. Don't tell me they looked Jewish ! And our own Brits have also perished. show some sympathy for our own? I've not seen a single post online. they are not true lefties to me, in fact they remind me of Alex Jones and Ben Shapiro but in reverse.

I am sick and tired of seeing women suffer in all of these wars. It's literally like in Come and See (1985 film) and it's sickening. Men need to go on a another planet and battle it out and leave us alone.

Filistin was the name and is still used by the indegenous population and has always been a state, region, whatever you want to call it.

The whole post war propoganda of "A state without people for a people without a state" was just untrue BS.

Yeah, that's not what they're saying though

Correction. A semite is an inhabitant of the Middle East, therefore antisemitism is the hatred of people from the region. It has been twisted to apply to just Jewish people and in recent years is being corrupted to include any legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government.

You best tell the UN then, they will be grateful for your knowledge.

You ask the apologists how many times have they been to the Middle East - do they understand the cultural differences, or they appreciate that Palestine was not even a nation state, it was simply shared by Egypt and Jordan and was a British colony for a short time - otherwise living under the Ottoman Empire. They scream free Palestine but what do they mean?
It is governed by fatah and the terrorist group Hamas. War lords abound not lefties doing crochet. They would cut your throat without thinking twice.

Martyrdom is a real thing. Beheadings are nothing special. And yet pro Palestinians still can not grasp what the reality is actually like beyond their leafy ideals. In some ways a fully integrated shared and mutually supported system with Israel would benefit Gaza and their quality of life hugely if it were to happen.

No sane person would suggest that Israel do nothing - but it does not mean that they should lay siege to 1 million children.

I have read/ heard people with far more knowledge than me on the radio / newspapers talk about clear failure of leadership in the West and Middle East to deal with the problem over decades.

Obliterating Hamas and killing innocent Palestinians will not solve the problem - as other people have pointed out in this thread, they are in an area with many potential and actual enemies.

I fear the actions of the Israeli army will result in greater unrest- and perhaps - as some have said, this was the intention of Hamas.

I didn't ask what they shouldn't do. It's clear you don't feel they're doing the right thing.

I asked what they should do. What should Israel do?

How can they do anything else when the opposition will no negotiate? Hamas don't want peace. They don't want a shared state. They want all of Israel and believe me, if they had the power, they'd have obliterated Israel and it's inhabitants without a second thought.

So...what should Israel be doing? It's no good focusing on what they shouldn't be doing if you have no better suggestions.

BBC news now reporting that France has raised its security threat level to the highest one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67107391

It is genocide. And I hope the Muslim world takes in Palestinians that are being ethnically cleansed and shun Israel for good.

Let Netanyahu keep the cesspit for his far right crones.

So many saying Israel shouldn’t be defending itself without providing an alternative!

The reality is if Israel do nothing Iran and Hezbolah will receive that message as weakness and will join the fray, as will all the other enemy states surrounding Israel.

In the real world no country can afford to display passivity in the face of such a bold terrorist attack. I am so sick of this indulgent world view that we just need to accept any amount of atrocity. At every level the lack of education, historical understanding and knowledge is staggering on here at times.

There has to be a middle ground- there has to something more sophisticated than the current position, that doesn’t kill so many innocent civilians.
Is a Palestinian child’s life worth less than an Israeli child’s life?

Each child is equal.
We need a solution but no one has managed it in 75 years.

Completely agree.

I believe Israelis and Palestinians have a common ancestor - the Canaanites.

You can't suggest a better approach can you?

It's very easy to condemn Israel, but that's dangerous if you haven't considered what options they do and don't have.

It's a very complex situation. And quite rightly, Israel is doing what it can to survive.

Murder is not something Jews take lightly. It's totally against all moral standards, Israeli's won't be rejoicing at the idea of innocent Palestinians dying. But equally people have a right to survive and defend themselves and their communities.

I've had enough of hearing people condemn Israel. It's extremely hypocritical and, quite frankly, offensive. Don't criticise until you can identify a better solution. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place and no doubt struggling to comprehend what Hamas has just done.