France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

The dangers of this war spreading is highlighted by this thread, and many others. Dangerously so.
Most of us don't understand the nuances of the situation but are far to quick to pick a side and become entrenched in that position.

By doing this nothing will have a hope of changing.
I believe I have a deeper understanding of the historical situation while being neither Israeli or Palestinian.
I grew up with parents who were closely involved in the politics of the wider region throughout my childhood (I'm now 52 so span a few decades!)

While my heart leads me to 'support' one side my head tells me that the other side has equal, if not greater claim.
But what I wouldn't dream of doing is to post my beliefs on a public forum because I'm aware that I truly don't have the knowledge to do that.
If you have experience of living in Palestine or have any connection, if you are an Israeli Jew or have any connection with that, then your opinions are valid however conflicted.
If you don't then it's a dangerous game to make an assumption based on what the media presents or your initial horror at the actions of Hamas.
Many people on these threads are just pontificating and virtue signalling which is just not helpful.

So no reported attacks on Jews in the UK then as per your original post and the story above bears no relation to your original claims. Reported, off you pop, stop spreading fear and lies.

It is, I agree
Its shocking that people accept propaganda
But let’s face it that bus was the death nail for Brexit, people believed misinformation because the majority just didn’t bother to check.

Here’s a bit of wiki for you to explain, with examples
On the basis that’s it’s regularly updated with fact.
Apologies I haven’t mastered the art of linking

We should just get on and do the same; France is ahead of the UK on this. At least they attempt to protect a minority from intimidation and violence.

What a mess we have in the UK by contrast.

Palestine was never a state and still isn’t, the Biblical name for part of Canaan is amongst others Philistia.
Palestine is a political invention by the LoN’s, who farmed its governance out to the UK, after the destruction of the ottoman empire.

@Bigbrotherpropoganda - you lied or don't know. The atrocities by German soldiers have been verified by Irish and German academics; and published.

Take your wiki page and read some proper history and next time, start out with the right war.

Personally, I'm shocked by people who defend terrorists who spread antisemitic hatred and propaganda and plan and carry out terrorist attacks. But you do you.

I mean the French government do hate Muslims so I'm not surprised. Pro Hamas protests should be shut down but not Pro Palestine ones as long as they are peaceful.

France already treats its citizens who descend from Algeria etc awfully so I'm sadly not surprised,

I have read all the history.
I posted an easy one for you
I haven’t got the time to go back to the library to get all the information that I have researched on the subject of propaganda and it’s dangerous effects and post it for you.
So I posted wiki as they regularly update.

Please note
My posts are about the danger of believing lies
Read past posts on the beheading babies issue with even Biden initially promoting it and our own uk papers. Without proof.
This is dangerous.
You have no idea which side I am on as I am simply questioning dangerous misinformation.
As I have said before CNN are very good at verifying everything.
So it’s better to wait for actual evidence than believe word of mouth.

Lets not whip up a frenzy

You read but don't understand the difference between WW1 and WW2.

@Bigbrotherpropoganda you don't know much do you

But I haven’t mentioned any reports of anyone in this country being abused.
I haven’t as yet seen any visual evidence of abuse of a person and I hope I don’t. ( except for the earlier info reported by the bbc yesterday on the news )
You re a bit mixed up there

Im not spreading anything.
Please read past posts.
I am supporting fact checking of all information because there seems to be a some rumours and misinformation. ( not least yesterdays headlines unverified by our own newspapers.)
Isnt that what any responsible person should promote.

You re mis reading my posts as propaganda in themselves.
Which they are not.
I have not posted support or anything for any side. I also don’t use subliminal propaganda by using the term terrorist. Just like the bbc has ,so far, have refused to do.

It isn’t it has no formal recognition, the UN fudges by calling it a non-member observer State, you should do some research before calling people liars, in particular the Balfour declaration.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/

Absolute rubbish!

There is no real, true comparison between Northern Ireland and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

None except for the fact PSF/PIRA are friends of Hamas and have been since Hamas' formation.

What you're is missing is that PIRA and UVF didn't control vast swathes of Northern Ireland.

Hamas controls Gaza.

Because of that reality most Catholics and Protestants didn't support these terrorist groups. See the attachment showing a majority of Northern Ireland Catholics never did support PIRA.

Another thing that shows a majority of Northern Ireland Catholics didn't support PSF/PIRA is the reality 70% of them voted for the SDLP who 100% opposed PIRA.

As for the Irish Government and State, they don't govern Northern Ireland AND they also took measures against PIRA with the UK & USA Governments. In fact, the ROI crushed the IRA in their State. The PIRA was an enemy of the Irish Government too which is very, very clear in the IRA Green Book. PIRA laughably called the Irish State a "fascist State"! 🤣

On the other hand, because Hamas controls Gaza most Palestinians support them.

Immediately, your comparison with Northern Ireland is defeated.

I never said babies were not killed.
As my previous post clearly stated the reports of beheadings were so far unverified. So I noted there was no evidence of 40 babies being beheaded
So it is Now not proven. Even Israel has backed down on this misinformation including reporters at the scenes afterwards
Yet it was headlined in our own papers.
Misinformation without verification is a dangerous game to play

Please read posts carefully so that you do not jump to conclusions and twist people words.
Please do not insult other people who also have a right to an opinion.

Mine, however, is not an opinion it is a call to everyone to not spread misinformation and twist the words of others.
Have a peaceful day

Dawn Neesom, a former British newspaper editor has confirmed the decapitations as real, she viewed the videos/photos on a newsfeed only available to journalists.

Does it matter how they were killed?

They were very deliberately killed in cold blood. That's what matters.

You will be relieved to learn that there aren’t many world leaders shaping their foreign policy on MN.

No, you still haven’t linked anythibg confirming - just that you noticed something on CNN. It’s way too weak. You simply can not make claims of the magnitude you just did without credible, serious links or your posts are to personal opinion and not fact.

Please remember that soldiers are managing the scene and the bodies. Soldiers who are probably 19&20 year olds who are also in deep shock and hurting. It isn't too much of a stretch for a soldier to come away from the scene, tell a reporter who has shoved a microphone in their face, in a strong Israeli accent 'There are 40 dead babies, we have seen that there was decapitation' and then the media runs with that.

The media whose aim is to make profits and sell papers.

I am not saying this IS what happened, I am saying that it is a fast moving and traumatic situation and from what I know of Israel, there are people running everywhere, reporter's looking for snippets, and not necessarily one clear line of communication. Miscommunications happen.

If it comes out that this was state manipulated and announced misinformation then it can be criticised as such then.

In the meantime, everyone needs to stop pointing fingers, hold their horses and have some compassion for those dealing with the situation.

The fact is, even one dead or decapitated baby is horrendous. 40 dead babies is 40 times as horrendous, no matter how they were killed.

From what I have read so far it seems your first paragraph is exactly how this information and rumour came about.
Unfortunately Governments believed it without evidence and ran with it.
This has to stop

It’s ridiculous and downright disrespectful to say that babies and children were not murdered, because we know that they were. If as a Palestine supporter you find this too difficult understandably to digest, that is a matter for you. But you can not corrupt the facts and pretend the massacre didn’t happen to suit your narrative/conscience.

Whatever sympathy the world might have had for Gaza has now evaporated with the Hamas decision to resort to such despicable and unthinkable acts of brutality and violence.

Hamas should be overthrown - a new government should take control, and maybe there is some hope of a solution - something salvaged. For as long as Hamas are murdering babies there will no chance of peace or safety for the people of Gaza.

Hamas did not need to resort to this level of depravity.
My thoughts are with the traumatised people of Israel.

A teacher was stabbed and killed today in France - so this is precisely why they are clamping down, with good reason.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67101089

I thought this might also be helpful

https://www.nytimes.com/article/israel-attacks-video-disinformation.html

Fucking horrific.

Just waiting now for the crass and deeply offensive " but what about ..