France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

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It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

Have there been attacks, I've not seen anything about this. Yes there's fear of attacks and people are taking precautions but how many actual attacks in the UK have there been since Saturday? Where's your source? 1, 10, 100? You're just scaremongering.

That is exactly what I think every time I see a 'Oh, but what about..'' argument defending this week's slaughter or previous terrorist attacks.

Usually it's 'Oh but what about what Israel did'.

Clearly those people think that if anyone has a government that has potentially done things others don't agree with, that we deserve to be slaughtered in our beds.

I agree. The axis are now involved as well. Statement by Iranian government https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/a-new-front-in-hamas-war-depends-on-israels-actions-says-iran-4476571

Britain has and is continuing to import a jihadi army, they will probably be surprised, when the invaders rise up !

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-sees-huge-jump-in-antisemitic-incidents-after-hamas-attack/

I’m not sure what you’re suggesting … have you read my previous posts??

Central London, it’s easily findable on X if you use key search terms, I’m not going to post the details here as don’t want to be seen to promote it (or otherwise)

There’s also a very interesting run down of the history in the Independent for those interested in an Independent view
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@gloria1980 I won”t be surprised. However, people have been shut up as racists and xenophobic about this.

I have no idea on figures and haven’t seen any but there was an article in the news yesterday .
They were interviewing a Catholic priest in Jerusalem and showed footage of Christian pilgrims being spat at by the Jewish population. The priest said it happens all the time but has escalated in the last week.

This is going to be a difficult time for everyone and it’s time for peace and understanding on all sides.

Drawing any kind of comparison between Catholics in Northern Ireland & Republic of Ireland with Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank is a false equivalence.

And its offensive because there was NEVER majority support for PIRA.

Can we say the same thing of Palestinian society?

When Hamas were formed in 1987, they had minimal support from Palestinians. But in 2021, support for Hamas dramatically increased as AP News reported:

apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

In 2022, respected Palestinian pollster Khalil Shikaki and his Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) carried out a survey looking at Palestinian support for armed groups. Main takeaways below:

• 72% of Palestinians support forming more armed groups in West Bank

• in Gaza, 84% of respondents supported concept of armed groups taking NO orders from the Palestinian Authority. This is HIGHER than in the West Bank where 65% supported the idea.

www.pcpsr.org/en/node/924

So, the support for Hamas, Lion's Den and other Palestinian armed groups is there from the Palestinian population. A minority do not support them.

At the same time, Palestinian support for the Fatah party led by President Abbas in the West Bank has collapsed to as low as 14%. Abbas is struggling to keep control of the Palestinian Authority territory in the face of support for armed groups such as Hamas.

Important to note that Abbas' Fatah party also has an armed wing - Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. So, there is a LOT of Palestinian support for terrorist groups overall.

So, not all Palestinians support Hamas. But it is NOT wrong to say that Hamas have the majority Palestinian support. That may or may not change in future.

I, for personal safety reasons, wouldn't. I think there is a high risk of violence/ terrorist attack.The waving of any kind of flag in protests is inflammatory atm.
I think we have to to side with Israel for our own security, and for the West', especially US backing.
I don't personally believe in what the Israeli government is doing re the 24 hour evacuation. Sunak is playing lip service to a U turn stating that civilian deaths in Gaza should be avoided. No ideas on how to achieve that though. Israeli prime minister , has also said that if if Hamas release prisoners, essential supplies will become available. This clearly won't happen, to the Hamas, anyone in Gaza is a human shield.
The area suggested for evacuation in Gaza is is far less populated, with far fewer hospitals. The area being evacuated from is the most populated with far more hospitals, already overrun. This just won't work for so many reasons. The death toll in Gaza has to be much higher than quoted. The bomb/ death ratio does doesn't add up.
Hamas use tunnels under schools and hospitals so I can see why they are seen as targets. There is also the real likelihood that many Palestinians in Gaza, after many years of occupation may have supported Hammas.
Hammas were "elected" in 2007, no elections since so fairly recent history. But their citizens only alternative was the Fatah. The two groups do not get on. Fatah rules the West Bank. The people of Gaza have had no rights to leave, access to independent resources, both by Hammas and the Israeli government, severely limited.
The people of Gaza, Arabs displaced, have been historically badly treated as have Jews. The British actually engineered a Jewish state, Israel.
It's far more complex tbh.
But at what point do you stop blaming history? Both sides here were wronged in the recent past.
Because Gaza citizens could have been indoctrinated with Hamas mentality they cannot just be free to roam. And there is no way to identify them. They have been badly treated by everyone.
It breaks my heart to think of children without parents under that rubble. I hope the land attacks by Israelis save some of them.

Please can you link where any reputable news outlet has confirmed that children and babies were NOT murdered?

It’s not acceptable to simply discredit the atrocity, claim others are also doing so without credible evidence and linking so posters can decide for themselves.

I think to say the massacre is simply a fake information is deeply offensive to say the very least, especially as you are not backing up your claims.

The comparison with Ireland is very relevant.
As the Irish Government have themselves eluded to in recent days

Also
There was a time when support for the Irish Army (IRA and earlier versions) was a majority support amongst the Catholics who were a majority ( by far ) religion.

It was on the news last night. UK news that is.
CNN, as I noted, have also been fact checking.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/12/photo-baby-dead-hamas-israel-palestine-blinken/

Content warning. A response to this continued denial of the atrocities committed by Hamas:

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1712500162864480490

By bothe sides I mean Jews and Gaza citizens.

Here’s a couple of headliners from today.
I would link the whole article but I just can’t tbh.

There’s another from the White House to confirm that whilst Biden said he saw images, he didn’t actually see any images.

You are disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

That's exactly what they think. I was with a friend (lovely person - we're still good friends) when the news came through of the attack on London bridge and that person said "Oh, how awful, we need to get Corbyn elected and stop all these awful foreign wars we're responsible for". My mouth almost hit the table!

Good decision. I didn't approve of the lighting up of buildings and think the FA made the right decision not lighting up Wembley. It just provokes people

There's a (sadly) common undercurrent of 'Jews are lying and shouldn't be believed' in this post.

"I've not seen anything about this" says more about you than it does about the person you're replying to. Do Jews have to actually be murdered in the UK (like they have in France) before you'll stop calling it "scaremongering"?

Yes this is twitter
And as CNN confirms they cannot verify it’s geolocation
They cannot verify where this was taken
They cannot verify if it was due to bombs etc..
Also
Israel said when the first report came out of 40 beheaded babies that they would not post images as it was disrespectful to the families.
Then they post these images, which are disrespectful to families and not of beheadings.
They’ve been outed as posting, encouraging, misinformation.

This sort of story of unimaginable atrocities happens every time one power wants to demonise another

Look at the UK govn. In order to garner support for WW2 they said the German army were throwing Belgium babies in the air and catching them on their bayonets. Result. Huge growth in Brits joining up.

It was confirmed as a lie and propaganda some time after. But hey, that’s OK, they got the result they wanted.

@Bigbrotherpropoganda Your posts are revolting.