Thread 31 Sunak: Court, Conflicts and Complications

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Of course. Silly me.

It's a bonus so very different, but they are moving out of the country anyway so not sure why this is necessary

Can labour fix the bus service? I’ve made a decision not to get on the bus which is an hour late in favour of the one which is half an hour late. This may have been the wrong decision tonight.

Oh come on, you know the answer to this. If you get a pay rise you will spend the money locally boasting the economy and driving inflation. If a banker gets a pay rise they will stash the money offshore, shrinking the economy and causing deflation.

Trickling down economics isn't it?

remember the threads after the lettuce budget where we were told to be grateful for the extra money going to cleaners, gardeners, travel agents.

Now they can afford the private school vat, and stop the invasion on state schools

Money is trickling down somewhere...

"More Tory asylum chaos.

Turns out, cost of the barge is FIVE TIMES higher than asylum hotels.

£800 per person per night

And that’s not counting probable millions spent while it was empty in summer

Again Tories waste taxpayers money chasing headlines rather than getting grip"

x.com/yvettecoopermp/status/1716839377299537988?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Port owners Latham Industries & Bibby Line must be v happy.

I have no doubt their investments in Tory party donations are proving very lucrative.

Something is definitely trickling down from our Lords and Masters. Not smell like money though.

https://twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1716954865056805252

Developers buy a site for 6m and then 13months later the Home office but it off them for 15 million to turn into a detention centre. Wonder which Tory donor pocketed the 9million profit.

How is that barge £800 per person per night?

Even with mooring fees and this bus contract into the town - That's 500 people x £800 = £40k per night.

For a basic room and food.

It's as economical as the £140m to swap 200 asylum seekers for 200 Rwandans.

When the Minister says 50 hotels of asylum seekers are going to close by January, is that like Boris' 40 hospitals?

Additionaly thought, are the Home Office civil servants busy rushing around working out which of the hotels has the smallest capacity so they will get shut, whilst quietly opening new hotels of bigger capacity?

It will be interesting to see if one of them is the hotel near us. It hadn't paid it's way for years and had been on the market for 2 years before a company bought it specifically to house asylum seeker's.

January is about the worst time of year for a hotel to lose all paying residents. After Christmas but months until the summer tourists. I'd be surprised if any of those hotels stay afloat.

I imagine that all the hotels will need a refit before they can be reused for paying customers anyway. I think I remember reading that the cost of a post-use refit was included in the contracts. Many of them (I'm thinking of Britannia Hotels in particular) have needed a refit for years before they were put to this use anyway.

There's also a chance that many of the hotels will need to be used to house asylum-seekers after their cases have been approved and they've been thrown on to the local authority to house.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67212103

Shaun Davies, chairman of the LGA, said councils were legally obliged to find somewhere to stay for the large numbers of refugees representing as homeless after leaving hotel accommodation when their asylum application was processed.

"We've got a housing shortage, we've got a huge demand on temporary accommodation, and we've got councils in financial strain," Mr Davies, who is also a Labour councillor, said.

15 million for a site valued at 6 million last year.
No planning permission.
Asbestos.
Then they need to level it.
Then they'll pay £286 million to build a new site.

Very interesting @SoMuchSimpler

https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1716763938765894127?s=20

Exclusive: The Manston migrant processing centre could be converted into a "residential" detention centre holding thousands of asylum seekers before deportation to Rwanda

Demolition work is underway at the site, while buildings are being refurbished

Extra capacity is needed if the government is to fulfil its pledge to detain and remove small boat migrants

It said it would reopen two previously closed detention centres - Campsfield and Haslar - but work is taking longer than expected and they won't open until late next year

Conservative MP Sir Roger Gale, whose constituency includes Manston, said Suella Braverman and other ministers had given him “an absolute assurance that this would not be anything other than a transit facility”

He said any change in use would be "a complete breach of faith"

Jenrick is struggling here, maybe some extra maths lessons?

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1717073545002447287?s=20

Sally Nugent: Labour say it's currently costing £800 a day to house asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm.. that's a lot more than a hotel?

Robert Jenrick: Yvette Cooper it's completely wrong...

SN: What is the cost?

RJ: It's less than a hotel

I've just been reading up on this place. It seems to have been known locally back in May 2022 that it was being sold to house asylum-seekers. I'm not sure how that fits with a sale 3 months later to Brockwell Group Bexhill LLP and the subsequent resale to the Home Office.

Do you know who Brockwell Group bought it from?

They haven't done anything to the site have they? Why has it jumped up in value?

That is the important question imo, who is this previous developer?

Is that Robert Cruelty to Children Jenrick?

Just checked Brockwell Group bought it from the Government of UAE - who had bought it from HMP prisons.

I’m a few miles away from the Stradey Park debacle - Home office declare it will be filled with asylum seekers, cancelling weddings and making the staff redundant. The likes of Richard Tice and Katie Hopkins turn up and whip up local feelings against the poor asylum seekers.

Then after six months of protests etc the Home office decide it doesn’t want the hotel for asylum seekers, the owners say they will turn it back into a spa hotel and the Fire Brigade declare it unfit for human habitation.

What a mess. How much has all that cost? Who’s paying for the policing, the fire services etc? Not to mention all those who lost their jobs.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/home-office-refuses-answer-key-27965168