Suella Braverman

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Does anyone else get Enoch Powell vibes? Makes me shiver....

Thanks. That's an interesting analysis. On here I think there is rush to denigrate patriotism and being British or should I say English. We Scots are allowed to be proud of being Scottish but we have to stay in our little box. Before the demise of Nicola I was constantly being told how wonderful she was. Just a fraud actually. Now we have Humza who's nicknamed 'Useless'. I'm glad his in laws are back home but he is being slated for giving a huge amount of money for aid to Gaza. So the opposite to the Suellas of this world.

@BethDuttonsTwin

I like her 😊

She's just said this:

Braverman: "During Covid, why was it that lockdown objectors were given no quarter by public order police yet BLM demonstrators were enabled, allowed to break rules & even greeted with officers taking the knee? Right-wing protesters who engage in aggression are rightly met with a stern response yet pro-Palestinian mobs displaying almost identical behaviour are largely ignored, even when breaking the law?"

And she's absolutely bang on.

The answer to her question, as she well knows, is that her government (you know, the one she is a part of) passed emergency legislation in covid to prevent gatherings on public health grounds. As such the police were required to act

The other protests are part of our fundamental democratic rights and can only be interfered with in limited circumstances.

@derxa - well I am quietly English and was brought up to have a suspicious of patriotism done by loud people. I was in public service for s long time and did my part. Being overtly proud of your origin by itself seems ridiculous because I could have been born anywhere.

However, patriotism about the things the UK does is to me important and more real. I don't like flag wavers, defenders of war memorials or people who bang on about British values. Talk is cheap. Action shows far more. I also dislike the SNP because to me they just seem the same as an average Brexiteer. Nationalism do nothings.

Anyway, another thread. Have a good evening.

This. She has clearly seen the writing on the wall for the government and isn't even pretending to care what Sunak tells her to do. The fact that they made public that they had told her to retract bits of her article and she sent it in regardlesd shows she doesn't give a shit about being Home Secretary. She is looking at her next career move. Sunak made a mistake reappointing her after she was sacked. She is a snake. Sunak needs to
rip off the sticking plaster and just call an election. He's looking for a new job in California with Elon Musk, his Kings Speech was a desperate attempt to avoid a complete Tory collapse that could end up with them not even being the official opposition and his ministers are openly defying him. And he's not even doing anything to stop them.

I hate her. She is so blatantly stirring up racial differences. Incorrectly implying CSA is largely caused by Pakistanis and now saying this:
"I do not believe that these marches are merely a cry for help for Gaza. They are an assertion of primacy by certain groups - particularly Islamists - of the kind we are more used to seeing in Northern Ireland. Also disturbingly reminiscent of Ulster are the reports that some of Saturday's march group organisers have links to terrorist groups, including Hamas."

It's reminiscent of Trump, to me she's basically calling on the far right to make trouble. Exploiting Northern Ireland to that end. And she's HOME SECRETARY. Meant to be in charge of keeping the whole of the UK and its citizens of all religions safe.

Disgusting

@therealcookiemonster I am 100% in agreement with you! I hope you don’t mind but the reason I want to focus on the potential harm and hatefulness (as well as, with my lawyer brain on, just wrong/twistedness) of her comments is because offending people has only ever made them angry or sad (or offended). Braverman has power and influence. Pissing everyone off = not ideal but we can cope with it. Victimising minorities, encouraging division, twisting the law, turning the UK into a quite scary xenophobic police state which prioritises the privilege = much less ideal and very worrying. That’s all I meant. Sorry :)

@CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau you have a fair point and i agree with you, no need to be sorry at all! I am sorry I probably came across as aggressive and angry, I am finding it harder and harder to maintain politeness when I think of her.
and what can we do? I feel so frustrated that irreversible harm is being done to our society by this nutjob and we have to wait until the next election. and the game she is playing, she might end up being our PM in 5 years. I love this country, but as a Muslim I would no longer feel safe living here if she was PM

@therealcookiemonster I can completely understand your feelings, particularly as a Muslim. I don’t want to assume or speak for you but it must be particularly frustrating to see an immigrant from a minority championing such inhumane, xenophobic policies. I’m a very nonviolent person who tends to think the best of people, often to my detriment in the end, but the current crop of Tories are on a par with Donald Trump in terms of how much they make me want to punch a television/radio when they speak.

Over the past few years I’ve become more and more incredulous at the sheer number of people who keep buying the Tory rubbish and voting for them, but recently (the past few months) I’m getting more hopeful that they’ve jumped the shark and even disappointment with Labour won’t keep them in office. We (and the other parties) can worry about how to make their absence more permanent once they’re out of office. It really sucks that the FTPA was passed but I think they, the Tories, have got people disgusted with them, and Sir Keir Starmer, if not a rabble-rousing charismatic figurehead, is at least much less divisive than Corbyn.

I think that populist movements in general tend to be short lived. Populism is notable in history for making huge promises to their supporters, pandering to the prejudices and fears of their followers but they very rarely deliver and lose momentum, eventually fizzling out as times change and new generations reach voting age.

She's trying to get sacked so she can distance herself from Sunak in preparation for the GE. It's a horrible truth that she will have a lot of support from certain sections of the great voting public.

I think we’ll go through a tough period, not just here but generally due to climate pressures and associated politics

The U.K. has domestic factors in play which may impact, but I don’t think it’ll be much easier here

At some point we’ll regroup I suppose

One can only hope.

She's playing a nasty game.

Who? My family have traditionally voted Tory in the past and neither the younger nor the older generation will vote for them ever again. My dh and my dcs are Muslim while my dad is a Northern Irish protestant so she's done a fantastic job of offending the whole family.
Today I went for a private medical appointment and my consultant was very posh. For some reason our conversation veered onto the 'national debate'. He said was appalled at how extreme everything had become and despaired about Suella's remarks. I just don't know who is attracted to her venom.

There are a few Suella supporters on this thread. We should ask them why they like her.

Surely we do need to weed out the ‘hate’ element from the protest marches though?

Is she not any good, at least for that?

Tbh this issue about the marches makes her look awful.

The police have a final say. Not her. Imagine it otherwise, orders from the Home Sec as to who is arrested, who is not, who is prosecuted, who is not.

Who stays in the country, who does not.

She has even been told this week that her fantasy of extremist legislation is not possible by Johnathan Hall KC. He is not some sort of wet liberal. He is the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation. And he is very very clever.

Power should be used lightly. The thing about Suella is that she seems to enjoy doing the opposite; and whatever politics you may have, I wonder whether you would like her to have any power over you. If the answer is no, then think carefully how you vote.

@CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau no, your conclusion is absolutely logical. but sadly Stella's racism is no surprise - its an externalisation of her internalised self hate. a part of colonisation was colonisation of the national psyche. elite groups were 'raised above' the regular population through 'educating' them in the ways of their colonial masters. they were only then deemed to be civilised, but never as good as the colonisers. this process created a hatred of the native culture and people which persists to this day. many people certainly from South Asian communities see their own culture and countries as inferior. when they come here, they are desperate to be accepted by the brits and reject their own identities in the process. I have faced a lot more push back and discrimination from people of south asian heritage than caucasians in my work place for example. that's suella in a nut shell. and also she would sell her own mother if that would make her PM lol.

and yes they will vote for the tories again. if people can't see the fall out even after brexit... then what hope is there....

I agree. She has her strategic reasons for doing what she is doing.

obviously what I have said doesn't apply to every one...

No but I think you have good insight @therealcookiemonster

It is the extremity of commitment to ideas that Britain got rid of in the 60s and 70s and become a freer country. I do not want them back

If you are really wondering who then go to DM comments, pretty much flip side of this thread

I suppose it’s similar to Brexit, where people thought everyone they knew was in same camp as them but in the end one side won

No one should be surprised that the Daily Mail reader likes Suella. I think we all might need to reflect a little that our otherwise nice chum who keeps a copy for the royal coverage only probably likes those views. People are not daft; overt racialism is frowned on and they will be very quiet mostly.

to be fair to her, she would profess to believe in santa claus and Mary Poppins if that would get her what she wants

he said she has his wholehearted support today... he knows he is toast (no offence to you) if he fires her. although his face when keir was questioning him about her was a picture so not sure how much more he can take...

I'm wondering who's pulling the strings