Suella Braverman

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Does anyone else get Enoch Powell vibes? Makes me shiver....

SB compared LA to UK, saying we would become like cities in America with drugs/aggressive begging because the USA haven't 'clamped down on it' (her expression not mine).

I don't live in London, I have utter contempt for her and her divisive hate politics.

She should hang her head in shame. Disgrace.

If you want to start a new thread about how LA got to where it has, go ahead.

Why? I don't like SB but why must non white politicians have to conform to the MN group think. A lot of the most decent Tories were cleared out by Brexit.
There are some horrors on the Labour side eg Rupa Huq and Naz Shah

Really?
You can’t fathom the relevance to the thread? At all?

Especially so when downtown L.A. has been a shanty town for at least 30 years, through successive governments of both varieties, various local governors etc, and is an inevitable product of race to the bottom capitalism which provides nothing for those it chews up and spits out or deems useless, and nothing at all to do with 'liberal' policy. It's a scene being repeated in most large US conurbations. It's nothing to do with localised policy and everything to do with the fact the US style of economy requires unemployment and destitution to function.

She has repeatedly called the pro-Palestinian marches 'hate marches' do you agree?

I get the possible relevance to the thread but it would wholly depend on your personal perspective.

When I went to LA I didn't think oh, if only the US government cracked down harder on homeless people, but rather how can the self-styled leader of the free world allow people to live like this.

It's the whole I'm alright Jack, fuck you mentality that lets it happen. People don't live on the street they survive. And only the most fuck you of a person would think it's a choice.

It's a bit like saying "please explain why racism is wrong" or "what's wrong with stealing". Sometimes things are just self evident and decent people with basic morals don't need any explanation.

I'm sorry you don't get it. The vast majority do.

I loathe her with a passion. She is pandering to the right-wing anti-immigration bigots in the Tory party.
Having said that, not everything she says is wrong. Climate change will lead to huge movements of people, perhaps creating a general migration away from the equatorial regions. More people will undoubtedly make their way towards the British Isles. We are a long way from having a plan to cope with any influx. But certainly demonising refugees in small boats is not the answer.

Even the majority of her parliamentary colleagues are steering clear of her now. That is how toxic she is. Too nasty for the nasty party.

Don't know about Skid Row @hamstersarse but 13 years of Tory policies have put tent cities in our towns. And added many food banks. I didnt see Trump fixing Skid Row and won't hold my breath to see Suella to do so over here. You sound massively over-invested in having Suella's verbiage explained to you. To most of us, it's quite simple. She is attempting to build her career on division and fomenting needless hatred by fanning the flames of existing small fires. She is a dangerous agitator and appears to thrive on discord. Many of us dislike it intensely and would like to see the back of her as she is clearly unfit to hold any high office whilst pursuing her own political agenda. Hope that helps. If it doesn't then contact her constituency office, they can tell you everything you'd like to hear.

We had this the other day. I think it's reasonable to say, I don't agree with you and say why. But questions and nothing else is disrespectful. I don't respond to people who do that. If they have a point of view, there is a debate, but just acting the why isn't worth it.

I can almost guarantee that she has been funded by Israeli lobby groups.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/revealed-third-of-british-cabinet-including-boris-johnson-has-been-funded-by-israel-or-pro-israel-lobby-groups/

She’s more Tommy Robinson than Enoch Powell and an absolutely shameless demagogue. By pitching herself against the Met, she’s deliberately trying to be sacked so she can launch her leadership bid to take the nasty party further to the hard right.

Exactly that. She knows exactly what she's doing and why. It's a cynical pathway to the leadership.

Apparently she’s a Buddhist!
Obviously not practicing 😂

She is a disgrace and Sunak should sack her immediately. But aside from pre-pitching for the Leadership of the Tories she is saying things that appeal to the Far Right to attract their votes to the Tories rather than Tice's Party, things that Sunak wouldn't say so as not to alienate moderate Tory voters? That's why she is probably not going to be sacked.

Sunak is weak and won't sack any cabinet minister.

Looking at the flip side of comments on this site, on the DM, which are pretty much all in agreement. I’d say you have a point.

It looks as though her piece on the police might well achieve her aims. She's had to up the ante and behave unconstitutionally in order to try to get sacked, because just being evil hasn't worked.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/09/minister-dismisses-suella-braverman-accusation-met-police-bias?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

To the PP who was asking what about her views is offensive, they’re more revolting and frightening than offensive. Twisting interpretations of the law in bad faith. Dehumanisation. I could go on at great length. They are NOT palatable views and it’s scary to have her have this amount of power when she holds them.

@hamstersarse even the shit show that was Boris's government proved during COVID that, given political will and investment, it's possible to get people housed and fed. Yet Braverman's response to the same problem is to criminalise people - the homeless and those that try and help them.

And the massive growth in the problem of homelessness in the last 10 years has not been caused by lily-livered liberals in government has it? Or local authorities with cash to burn? The Tories have had 13 years to sort this (and other!) problems with their steely-hearted policies. They haven't though have they?

The Social Democratic and Labour party leader, Colum Eastwood, described Braverman's comments as: “a pound shop Enoch Powell piece”.

Spot on.

@CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau I see your point but I find it incredibly offensive to suggest homelessness is a lifestyle or people wanting a ceasefire are a hateful mob

I think she'll be booted, and knows she will, but is staking her claim to be Leader of the Opposition after the next GE. The Tories are getting wiped out, and with a 26k majority she's one of the quite small number who can actually feel confident of getting re-elected. They lurched right after the last existential crisis defeats in the early Blair years.

@derxa - quite honestly I think it is connected to Brexit and the politicians it elevated.

If you look at the majority of politicians post war they were mostly white men who had actually fought in it. They came back and entered politics. Consensus, support for internationalism to prevent bloodshed followed. Cross party agreement on this. Even Thatcher participated in that, expansion of single market, multilateral nuclear disarmament etc.

Brexit is a break with all of that. It is celebrated by a racially diverse cabinet who had parents who migrated to the UK. Their model was the empire and it's benefits and values just at the point when the country was making a conscious effort not to have old empire based values, Christian morals or Victorian justice. We scrapped these things and liberalized just at the point that mass migration really began into the UK.

It does not surprise me that the children of second generation migrants cling fiercely to ideas that Britain scrapped or praise them or talk like colonial governments of the past. For them and their parents it was probably powerful in their upbringing. For others, who had been in the UK for generations, there is not the same engagement with that idea of Britishness.

No group think on the matter. The idea that diversity in if itself is good is not something I agree with. But that is how you get this cabinet.