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Comedycook · 03/10/2023 16:14

Im really fed up that every time someone dates question the government or dares to question the direction the world is moving in, they are labelled a conspiracy theorist lunatic.

LumiB · 03/10/2023 16:14

I understand it about music, so many times I've saved a song on soundcloud to my playlist and it disappears. I mean FFS that was my favourite song, then I'll hear it played 6 months later and be like omg I love that tune and check and wonder why its not in my playlist...cos they removed it from their database.

So annoying!

VeganFromSveden · 03/10/2023 16:15

Sorry, not read whole thread, but just to let those who might be intt

”The Great Freeset”

may be of interest.

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 16:15

Comedycook · 03/10/2023 16:14

Im really fed up that every time someone dates question the government or dares to question the direction the world is moving in, they are labelled a conspiracy theorist lunatic.

Yes, this!

Quick way to undermine people and close down conversation.

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 16:15

@parameciumparty £10 a month is for the streaming service, not to own the song isn't it?

£10 a month is very cheap seeing as we used to pay upwards of £15 for one CD.

I can see why the subscription service model came in - the music industry failed to adapt to digital music and it quickly was on its knees. Barely any artisits make money out of music sales these days. Most younger people do not expect to pay for content at all.

LumiB · 03/10/2023 16:20

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 16:15

@parameciumparty £10 a month is for the streaming service, not to own the song isn't it?

£10 a month is very cheap seeing as we used to pay upwards of £15 for one CD.

I can see why the subscription service model came in - the music industry failed to adapt to digital music and it quickly was on its knees. Barely any artisits make money out of music sales these days. Most younger people do not expect to pay for content at all.

Yes you are paying for access to music, but there is still a level of control there isn't there because you only get to access what they will provide. If they want to remove some music they will, tough luck.

Thats the difference, if you owned a copy of the track e.g. downloaded it or had a digital copy you will only never be able to listen to it if you deleted it

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 16:27

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 16:15

@parameciumparty £10 a month is for the streaming service, not to own the song isn't it?

£10 a month is very cheap seeing as we used to pay upwards of £15 for one CD.

I can see why the subscription service model came in - the music industry failed to adapt to digital music and it quickly was on its knees. Barely any artisits make money out of music sales these days. Most younger people do not expect to pay for content at all.

I can't afford £10 a month. I don't listen to enough music to justify that cost. I pay £10 for NHS prescription certificate.

campionsturges · 03/10/2023 16:27

VeganFromSveden · 03/10/2023 16:15

Sorry, not read whole thread, but just to let those who might be intt

”The Great Freeset”

may be of interest.

A Swiss libertarian movement?

BethDuttonsTwin · 03/10/2023 16:31

Comedycook · 03/10/2023 16:14

Im really fed up that every time someone dates question the government or dares to question the direction the world is moving in, they are labelled a conspiracy theorist lunatic.

MN is horrendous for it. There's a large contingent on here who really do embrace the ideas that all is out in the open, everyone's pretty decent really, the government and the main steam media definitely have our best interests at heart etc and they get really angry and abusive - name calling, mocking, sneering etc, if you gently push back on them.

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 16:33

BethDuttonsTwin · 03/10/2023 16:31

MN is horrendous for it. There's a large contingent on here who really do embrace the ideas that all is out in the open, everyone's pretty decent really, the government and the main steam media definitely have our best interests at heart etc and they get really angry and abusive - name calling, mocking, sneering etc, if you gently push back on them.

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Well they're in for a bit of a shock. I'm in my 50s now and I've never known things to be so manipulative and controlling.

User174085934 · 03/10/2023 16:35

Streaming music is much more expensive for people who probably doesn't buy that many albums in a year like me, I probably buy about two a year because I don't like a lot of the current music, so now I pay £100 a year to Apple for convenience and still buy a CD from a favourite artist if one is released.

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 16:36

Still, perhaps they'll be happy when they have to pay monthly extras for features on their EVs. Indicators anyone? The car won't drive unless you pay £10 a month for the privilege.

Music streaming sub Vs car indicators? 🤔

CoalTit · 03/10/2023 16:37

@Celibacyinthesticks, I just had to congratulate you on your patience in responding to some of the most spectacularly stupid comments I've ever seen on here and continuing to explain the subscription/ extortion model in automobile features.

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 16:39

User174085934 · 03/10/2023 16:35

Streaming music is much more expensive for people who probably doesn't buy that many albums in a year like me, I probably buy about two a year because I don't like a lot of the current music, so now I pay £100 a year to Apple for convenience and still buy a CD from a favourite artist if one is released.

I'm economically inactive (swivel on that Sunak 😃) and used to buy a 99p song about three times a month. I can't afford a streaming sub. There should still be download options for people like me. I'm not the only one, but I'm not a capitalist's wet dream buying 387 albums a month, so out on the scrapheap I go.....

bigshort · 03/10/2023 16:41

Ylvamoon · 03/10/2023 08:05

Great Reset = introduction of credit.

Genius, really. Tapp into peoples future earnings, but rarely let them pay it off in full.

Create the want for shiny new things, before the old ones have been paid off.
Never let people own anything or (god forbid) accumulate any significant wealth.

But that;s just utter bollocks. Most of us pay off our credit in full. Many people have little to no credit at all.
We don't buy shiny new things before paying the old ones off, we do own things, and we can accumulate wealth (if the right factors are there).

Are you bitter about your own over spending and debt and trying to blame shadowy figures instead of taking responsibility for your choices?

bigshort · 03/10/2023 16:42

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 16:39

I'm economically inactive (swivel on that Sunak 😃) and used to buy a 99p song about three times a month. I can't afford a streaming sub. There should still be download options for people like me. I'm not the only one, but I'm not a capitalist's wet dream buying 387 albums a month, so out on the scrapheap I go.....

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Just use the free version of Spotify. And you can easily download specific things very cheaply (or find them for free most of the time).

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 16:46

bigshort · 03/10/2023 16:42

Just use the free version of Spotify. And you can easily download specific things very cheaply (or find them for free most of the time).

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I shall investigate that, thank you.

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 16:46

CoalTit · 03/10/2023 16:37

@Celibacyinthesticks, I just had to congratulate you on your patience in responding to some of the most spectacularly stupid comments I've ever seen on here and continuing to explain the subscription/ extortion model in automobile features.

Thank you! I was beginning to lose the will to live!

Palmasailor · 03/10/2023 16:46

lliij8 · 03/10/2023 07:52

Can't be arsed to get into the detail of the article but do want to discuss 'subscriptions'.

I do think it's a problem that we'll no longer 'own' our books, music, tv series etc. It sounds so convenient to just stream everything, but it also means that your access to them can be shut off, just like that. Eg do you like Father Ted? Well, I could see a world where you're not allowed to watch that any more, because Glinner is 'hateful'. Down the memory hole with it. You lose all control.

Another example: you might be concerned about the 'rewriting of history' when it comes to certain events. I own a range of history books, written in different decades, by authors of different viewpoints. But if I were to rely only on streaming services for my history content, well, I might well find that the California tech bros who decide what content is available to me don't like certain views on history.

Actually, back to the WEF – they are a bunch of weirdo creeps. Klaus Schwab is a billionaire oddball with some extremely strange ideas. I do suspect they deliberately amp up their weird ideas on social media for publicity. I think it's worth understanding what they're pushing, but not getting too het up about it.

Weirdo creeps but all of our politicians are going there. Both sides. Labour and conservative.

Plus KC, Tony Blair etc…they’re all there.

And I’ll repeat that no one voted for the WEF.

So I’ll ask again, what do you think they’re doing and why?

LumiB · 03/10/2023 16:48

Palmasailor · 03/10/2023 16:46

Weirdo creeps but all of our politicians are going there. Both sides. Labour and conservative.

Plus KC, Tony Blair etc…they’re all there.

And I’ll repeat that no one voted for the WEF.

So I’ll ask again, what do you think they’re doing and why?

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Because when you're a billionaire or significantly wealthy, more money isn't going to do it for you, power and control does.

bigshort · 03/10/2023 16:57

Mmhmmn · 03/10/2023 16:03

My biggest problem with not owning stuff like books and music, and streaming TV is more about how much information we just give away about ourselves. It's not the same as when you could walk into an HMV and buy a CD or TV box set and basically none of that was tracked back to you. Not that it matters that much at the moment - but in future, what if it does and so much of your life and preferences and habits are known... (would never rent books 😂that's just weird)

Then buy books and music, and don't stream TV! It's not compulsory, its really easy not to.
Buy a CD, buy a box set, use cash if you're so paranoid about it being tracked back to you (and newsflash, it was never that hard to track, if anyone really wanted to).

Gilead · 03/10/2023 17:01

Which cities have mass meal deliveries?

BethDuttonsTwin · 03/10/2023 17:05

So I’ll ask again, what do you think they’re doing and why?

Megalomaniacs, who think they know what's best for the little people who they see as little more than cattle who are mindlessly consuming resources and damaging the world that they want to leave to their descendants. Also a few of them are heavily involved in research that will allow them to upload their consciousness and thus they'll never "die". It's all bollocks of course but they have enough money and power to shape society to their liking, and they're doing it.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 03/10/2023 17:09

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 14:37

If that’s a serious question then you rent from your savings or pension, the same way that you currently pay for food, holidays, car maintenance, clothes, cinema trips etc.

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And what happens when that ‘capital’ runs out?

Dont forget to factor in your social credit btw ( I expect you are aware of that given your user name)

swimsong · 03/10/2023 17:14

theides · 03/10/2023 06:59

Exciting brave new future, isn't it!

lizwatt.com/articles/what-is-the-great-reset/

What utter twaddle. What you've read is just a fun internet hobby for many people. (do you know that there's no such word as gullible in English dictionaries?).

The link includes the blatant lie: "The WEF tells us at the end of The Great Reset, “You will own nothing, and you will be happy.”"

Having read the Great Reset (primarily a call for green, socially-conscious stakeholder capitalism to replace the greedy environmentally destructive shareholder capitalism that we have now) I can say that Liz Watt is talking crap.

The phrase “You will own nothing, and you will be happy” comes from a Dutch discussion document put up on the WEF website. It was not said as a desired aim - but as one possibility that we may or may not want to avoid.

There's a full debunking here: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef-idUSKBN2AP2T0

The thing is all the people who fall for this far right conspiracy guff, although they talk like they don't like the idea of an international cabal running everything, they really love it. A powerful entity that cares what they think! That wants to control them! That's so comforting! The alternative is how the world really is - badly managed chaos. From a psychoanalytical point of view, they really ought to have gone fishing with their dads more and got more hugs.

Fact check: The World Economic Forum does not have a stated goal to have people own nothing by 2030

A video repeating misinformation about the World Economic Forum (WEF) has been shared widely on Facebook.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef-idUSKBN2AP2T0