American Bully XL to be banned by end of year

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Rishi Sunak has just announced these dogs are to be banned.

Good riddance - who needs a big aggressive dog like that? It’s hardly a family pet.

I do however suspect the ven diagram of ‘people that own an American Bully XL’ and ‘people who will be interested in following this law’ may have a limited overlap however.

Out of curiosity as a vet can you refuse to treat a banned breed? I just wondered legally where you stand.

Yes they can and they do. As @ToBrieOrNotToBrieThatIsTheQuestion has said, due diligence has to be given to the welfare of the animal, but not at the expense of the vet or the veterinary staff.

If they can muzzle a dog and have two or three members holding it down, they may decide to treat it. If there is any risk a dog (whether banned or not) will attack they may refuse. Vets every year are bitten by dogs including placid breeds. Some require medical treatment including surgery afterwards.

In terms of dog on dog attack Conservatives MP Anna Firth leads a private member bill just on this topic. I’m not sure where the bill is at right now - started a few months shon- but I wholeheartedly support her aims, and would go further than for fatalities.

“ A new Private Members Bill, ‘Emilie’s Law’ led by Anna Firth MP will criminalise fatal dog-on-dog attacks in the UK. Currently owners are not held responsible under the law when their dog fatally attacks another dog, meanwhile the frequency of dog attacks has increased 700% in five years, to 11,559 in 2021”

I agree that I wouldn't want any animal to suffer but it's right that a vet can refuse to treat if they are in danger.
It's brilliant news that there is a new bill coming to protect dogs. They should have rights, being living things with feelings. I am sick of cutting walks short because I am scared of dogs in the park, especially this type of dog 🥹

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Fascinating!!

Sorry if it's been mentioned but telegraph said pit bull seaman is legally sold and sent here and nealry all xl bully are in fact half pitbulls

The law needs to be all dogs muzzled in public spaces. Any dog ever seen without a muzzle, taken away and not returned to the owner.

The other measures would be great, but this is the only real way to enforce safety on a daily basis

Clearly a bull breed. Obviously..

All bull breeds should only be allowed on a strict licence.

Another attack on a child, in public.

Sadly not. It was Ian Price. Adult humans being killed by dogs in public seems like something out of a film. I simply cannot get my head around it.

I understand even less though, how any normal, rational human being can sulk and cry over the future of a dog breed/type when they are clearly so lethal in the wrong hands. Beggars belief.

I lost sleep thinking about that poor man's suffering 😢

@Ceralee yes this was a staffie and they are really strong dogs. That poor kid has been so traumatized by his attack. I'm sick of people saying "oh but my dogs such a softie" yeah that may be but doesn't mean it couldn't just snap and severely hurt someone does it?

@Ceralee I completely agree with everything you said. I watched Ian price get attacked and it has completely traumatized me. I haven't slept more than an hour a night since it happened, every time I close my eyes I just see that poor man being ripped apart. I will never have sympathy for any dog after what I saw

@ kinderegg the attack at the petrol station was an 11yo girl and two men. The boy in the video was outside his house and is 10yo

Anyone that witnesses something like that must be utterly traumatised.

All of these deaths are absolutely horrific. A man will take longer to die unless 'luck' dictates he is bitten in exactly the right place that means the length he is suffering is shortened.

All of these attacks, including all of the non fatal attacks on people and other animals leave me in no doubt that we need to stop pissing about with slapping wrists. People need to be seriously restricted regarding what pets they can own.

I cannot think of one good reason for these type of dogs to exist when they are causing the amount and level of harm that they are.

If I have to be licenced to own my Cocker spaniel and she can't run free in public again, in order for no one else to be killed by one of these bastards, so be it. But frankly to me that shouldn't be required but it might have to be because banning bull breeds completely is so unlikely to happen (wish it could).

There certainly should be an extensive list of restrictions on certain types of dog - neutering, licence, muzzling and on a lead in public etc

Frankly I think there are far too many dogs in the UK, it's just too easy for anyone to go out and buy whichever one they want.

I agree with you and @Devilsmommy

It really is traumatic and unbelievable we’ve got to this

Agree @Ceralee

I couldn't even watch that attack. The pain and suffering he must have endured.

Reading the newspaper articles was enough, though a horrible recent example (no human fatalities I don't think, please correct if I'm wrong) was the poor woman who was hurt defending her dogs from one of these XL dogs

I've also see the video of Ian Price's death. It's readily available on Reddit. I'd recommend against though - nightmare fuel.

It really is traumatic and unbelievable we’ve got to this

Absolutely and why we need these things destroyed, we should not allow innocent children to be torn apart because of adults having such breeds.

Dangerous wild animals are not allowed to be kept in the home and thats basically what these dogs are or why else is the law changing so they need muzzling etc in public?

Unfortunately I think Devilsmommy actually witnessed it, rather than saw the video. The dogs belong to her neighbour. 🙁

The original breeder of Killer Kimbo the stud dog which killed a 4 yr old girl and has has numerous human deaths from it’s offspring was pathetically trying to defend this dog saying they kill only when given steroids.

He is denying the danger of it- which is on the majority of U.K. xL bully “family trees”

He’s had other breeders calling him out saying his dog “ Spits human aggressive dogs”

Don’t look on Farce book
the level of “ Protect our fur baby’s “ is sickening

These brutes are abominations - loose cannons.

Or should that be cannon’s.

People whining about having to muzzle their monsters.

Not a thought for the children killed , adults killed and sweet pets killed by their thug dogs.

100% agree. ANY dog can react or unexpectedly become aggressive, that includes:

• dogs who have never shown aggression before
• dogs who live in loving homes
• dogs who are a typically gentle, easy-to-train breed, such as labs

This inherent risk becomes many times multiplied when the dog in question has been bred for aggressive temperament and powerful physicality, as is the case with XL Bullies

And unlike a spaniel or a labradoodle or a jack russell, one of these dogs could kill you, and there’s nothing you or onlookers could do to stop it.

Just stumbled across this moronic video produced by BBC 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nOZRQJDwynM

Moronic.
In serious denial. Just proves how irresponsible the owners of this type of dog are.
Trying to make light of the people ( not to mention dogs cats and horses) killed or injured by this type of dog.

Wow that is moronic. The owners just don't care, they believe their own hype. Much like all dog owners! Entitled with no care for others. You see it daily on mn. Especially the ones who think their dog is equal to or better than human children. No doubt all on fb now against the ban.

Right? Or rolling their eyes at people asking ‘if they bite’ or ‘could they keep them back from children’.

I have a v small dog, and I totally appreciate that not everyone likes dogs or wants to be approached by them. If they don’t want a dog running up to them, that’s my problem to deal with, not theirs. Mine is v gentle and obedient, but I also know that he could bite. The fact these people with bull terrier breeds don’t seem to understand it’s a possibility is mind-blowing and scary. The level of blasé entitlement is unreal, these people just come across as irresponsible and clueless.

They also genuinely don’t seem to realise that different breeds have different temperaments. 🤦🏻 The kooky music and everything as well… I honestly can’t believe the BBC produced this.

I have a small/medium breed {11 kilos} I made sure she doesn't go up to off lead dogs, or people, and we had a terrifying incident with an out of control XL Bully - it's female owner was HOPELESS.

Yes, there are irresponsible owners of small breeds about, but they don't kill or do serious damage.
Temperament also passes down.

This is a reply I saw on You Tube today- it was about Pitbulls {XL have pitbulls in the breeding} -after a litter was cannibalised by the bitch and the male dog.

The male in question was being ''hidden'' after it bit a toddler boy nine times.

''I’ve only ever heard of pit bulls attempting to eat their puppies. This is very much not a common occurrence. Pit bulls are just that broken as a breed.
Oh, I know what happened. The dad got her pregnant again a month later and the family didn’t learn. One more litter got eaten and I got yet another panicked call about it. This time I demanded to know why the hell they’d let her get pregnant again and she told me “We made sure she wasn’t hungry this time!”
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Don’t feel too badly for this girl. That’s one of the reasons I stopped being friends with her, she was a complete and total moron. When I questioned why the dad was being hidden when he was clearly dangerous, it was SHE who told me and I quote “no doggies are dangerous. He just got scared.”
️️ He bit a two year old nine times after the kid reportedly had the gall to toddle past him. Not touching him, not looking at him, just walking by. And he charged forward like a hyena after a baby gazelle, grabbed the kid by the leg, shook him like a rag doll and chomped multiple times before someone finally noticed. ''

@SidekickSylvSidekickSylvia yes you are correct, I did see it in person, I live above his mom so my living room window faces the garden he was attacked in. It was the most horrific, terrifying and traumatic thing I've ever witnessed. Those dogs are vicious and lethal and they don't deserve to live to have the chance to kill more humans. How do people think dogs lives are more important than humans?

At school (I'm 17)I have a friend who used to have a Yorkshire terrier, who was extremely fierce and bit all her friends (this was before I knew her). Apparently, he was very loving to all the family, including her toddler sister. She used to show me videos of him playing with the sister(never unsupervised though). It terrified me. People who let XL bullies play with their children are the extremes of this attitude, and it is very worrying. If your dog is aggressive to others, why take the chance? Even normally good-tempered dogs often hate toddlers. And when your dog is inbred for aggression, possibly random, and weighs up to 90kg -what the hell is wrong with these XL owners? Frankly they shouldn't have dogs OR children if they can't see that it's like a bomb waiting to go off.