American Bully XL to be banned by end of year

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Rishi Sunak has just announced these dogs are to be banned.

Good riddance - who needs a big aggressive dog like that? It’s hardly a family pet.

I do however suspect the ven diagram of ‘people that own an American Bully XL’ and ‘people who will be interested in following this law’ may have a limited overlap however.

Absolutely.
These things crap out so many puppies.
Litters of 18 aren't unheard of.

Sunaks proposed ban, is actually nothing of the sort, long period of grace & taking us way after the next GE... so passed to the next Government to deal with.

No wonder he is called "the Inaction man"

The problem with all these large powerful dogs is that they cannot be stopped if they attack (even by these 52 yo mortgage free types...)

Personally, i'd ban all dogs over a certain weight and muscle mass, existing dogs destroyed.

Why should anyone have the right to own things that scare the shit out of the vast majority of people?

If people don't believe about 18 being born, here they are..inbred with the owner's sister's dog.

The owner is {Quote} ''Heartbroken'' he can't sell these mutts with the proposed ban. A dent in the pocket.

What about ''Heartbroken'' relatives of the humans and nice dogs killed and maimed by these monsters?

Litter sizes like that would explain the explosion of the breed in recent years. They were only introduced to this country in 2018 and are now everywhere.

It would seem that none of them a neutered and are breeding like blow flies. The dog rescues are full of them, as are the pet pages online.

And all hideously inbred.

Dread to think of the Coefficiency of inbreeding, which likely adds to the unstable hot temperament and unnatural look .

I took a look at some of the online ads - in one a mother is looking to re-home her XLB as she's {the mother} is pregnant again, and her dog is too boisterous for her to manage.

WHY don't people THINK before buying these monstrosities?

A small admin fee wouldn't come close to covering the cost of implementing a comprehensive scheme & then there would be costs of enforcement when our police & courts are massively overstretched .I think thats the prob. I agree it is what should happen. I think licensing breeders is probably more of a priority? While I totally agree that dangerous dogs should be banned it dorsnt come close to addressinb the real problem which is a huge problem of irresponsible dog owners right across all layers of society & nobody thinks they are the problem. The only reason Im up now is because I was woken at 5 this morning by my neighbour's bloody 'fur baby' yapping.

Aaaand another XL attack to a young child by an XL known to the woman and her child.
Never been a ''problem'' before.

It's frightening.

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@oakleaffy I don't understand how people let children anywhere near these dogs

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I agree. The people who bred these dogs for aggression in the first place really are monsters.

As much as I feel for owners who have genuine and loving bonds with these dogs it’s the right call.

The facts are that this breed was developed purely for strength and aggression without (legal) purpose in very recent years. It’s accepted as fact that certain breeds have specific traits (greyhounds bred for racing, collies bred for herding, retrievers bred for assistance dogs, the list goes on) so there comes a point owners with good intentions will have to accept that there’s an innate instinct in their animals that makes them dangerous and equal to owning a tiger or gorilla. That’s before addressing what irresponsible breeding has done to the dogs from a health perspective. That’s not unique to the XL breed but it’s another aspect to consider when perpetuating the popularity of the breeds.

I would prefer the ban to give automatic powers for these animals to be humanely destroyed but the reality is we don’t have the resources to put that into practice, small steps are still steps worth taking though. The argument another breed will take over is correct but that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny - whatever comes next should be subject to the same enforcements and hopefully quicker than it’s taken to address XL’s. From a cruelty perspective many of them should never have been born and have been living on borrowed time because of their natural instinct and no fault of their own.

Arguing the case for those that have so far not had any problems isn’t being kind or loving, it’s adding to the problem that these dogs ultimately pay the price for.

Arguing the case for those that have so far not had any problems isn’t being kind or loving, it’s adding to the problem that these dogs ultimately pay the price for

The people paying the ultimate price are the children and adults killed and maimed by these things.

No one needs a large and powerful dog of any type.

Arguments put forward by the pro large dog lobby, are actually similar to the the pro gun lunatics in the 'states... "its the owner not the type of gun...."

England and Wales only at the moment. Scottish Gov will need to make its own laws

I don’t disagree @Alexandra2001 but I was addressing the people who see these animals as a part of their family. They’re the ones who need to appreciate the realities of what their animals are. fighting their dogs corner isn’t an act of love.

Not every XL will attack but every single one has the capability and it’s unpredictable. To address the problem responsible owners (and these do exist) need to understand that they can’t simply ‘train’ these dogs out of instinct. I have empathy for them and understand how hard it is to accept this.

The victims of these dogs sadly fall into a category that’s too easy to dismiss as something their dog would never do. Until it does.

Theres no point in dismissing and demonising owners when we need cooperation. There are lots of bad owners too, which is why I think it’s important to empathise with the ones who aren’t.

There are a lot of deluded women who get these animals as rescue dogs. They believe they can train them.

This to me says there are a lot of foolish people taking risks with their families and themselves because of their own ego. The dogwalker killed in Surrey had a rescue bully. It killed her. I am sure she would have described herself as a responsible person. But really, it was the opposite.

Responsible people understand risks.

I think a lot of people dont understand just how inbred these dogs are (estimated that 50% are descended from a single dog which was itself bred from a brother and sister).

That level of inbreeding wont just concentrate physical characteristics but also mental ones. Not simply aggression but potentially a disposition towards random attacks or sudden changes in personality.

Yes, Put them down immediately. Who cares if the owners have a PhD? The day one of these mutants snaps, it's all over!

How can they ban them?

Do you mean you can no longer breed from them?

Sorry for sounding daft.

The dogwalker said the dog was an xl bully but it was a pit bull, already banned.

Yes but the point is about responsibility. She thought taking a dog, of which she knew very little as it turns out, would be okay. It was not. It was a pit bull. She did not know, did she. Took it on all the same.

She would have described herself as a responsible owner.

Illegal to breed, buy, rehome and sell them.

If someone already has one they will have to be neutered, muzzled and on lead at all times when not at home, including in a car, have insurance to cover third party injuries/death and be registered so the govt knows where they are.

If given to a shelter they will be euthanised as it is illegal to rehome them. If they’re caught without muzzle/lead in public they will be seized and destroyed. Same if they haven’t been neutered/have insurance.

I’m guessing it will be illegal to breed or buy them?
Those already owned will need to be muzzled in public and kept on a short lead, if there are any complaints about the dog misbehaving, being lose etc I expect they would be taken and PTS (same as any other band breed). It means there will still be XLB’s in peoples homes for the next 10+ years, I don’t see they will destroy them.

A pit ball is a mixed breed that meets specific measurements. The XLB was basically a way to try and get around the rules of pit balls, there’s a fine line between the two?