American Bully XL to be banned by end of year

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Rishi Sunak has just announced these dogs are to be banned.

Good riddance - who needs a big aggressive dog like that? It’s hardly a family pet.

I do however suspect the ven diagram of ‘people that own an American Bully XL’ and ‘people who will be interested in following this law’ may have a limited overlap however.

Agreed. they all need to be eliminated.

If anyone wants to know why these dogs are so fucked up- it is completely the fault of greedy breeders. Breed linages show enormous amounts of inbreeding. Killer Kimbo had one dog as her great-grandfather (the same dog in all four slots). And his grandfather on his mother and fathers side is the same. Sick.

There is a video being shared on Facebook (I have no idea who filmed it) of the attack of Ian Price.

I cannot watch it. He lived in a village near to me and it's just too much to bear. Having experienced a single dog bite and knowing how painful that was, his suffering must have been the absolute worst imaginable.

If you find and watch this video and still don't believe something serious needs to be done and still think people should be allowed to own this sort of dog, what the hell is wrong with you?

Breed Lineages

Sorry, here’s the link.

Should never have been allowed they where created crossing a band breed the pit bull.

@Flamedmoth every single one of those that look like any of those pics need to be covered or this is an absolute joke. None of those look like a family pet in any way ffs.

Completely agree.

After my own terrifying incident with an XL Bully which /I have mentioned on other comments, I asked the Dog Warden for ways to defend ourselves- he said ''You did the only thing possible- you released your dogs from their leads to escape'' - There is nothing that will work against these brutes except a firearm.

Even than, as numerous American vids show, even a single bullet won't stop them.
The brute that killed Jack Lis took seven bullets {Not sure what calibre} to subdue it enough so poor Jack's remains could be retrieved.

Americans at least can carry CS spray but we can't..It's classed as a ''Firearm''.

It's also illegal for us to have a stun baton - but even those won't work.

I do envy the Americans being allowed to defend their children, themselves and sweet pets against these maulers.

Humans have odd preference for some animals over another animal. They leap to the defence of fighting dog breeds that when snap cause horrific injuries or even death to a fellow human, but yet most of these people will probably be quite happy tucking into a roast dinner from a farm animal tomorrow...

@Ceralee are you sure it’s the attack of Ian Price and not the attack of a young boy at a petrol station that happened a few days prior?

Instead of simply banning Pitbulls they should’ve forced them into extinction. Police don’t enforce these bans anyway so it’ll be pointless

That is really revolting.

My old 'Pedigree' dog had a COI {Coefficient of inbreeding} of 0.9% {Kennel Club calculator}
40% and over is really unhealthy in terms of temperament and physical health.
In fact it's grotesque.

These Greeders literally don't give a shit about the brutes they churn out.

Straw man fallacy.

People really do have shit for brains, whilst also being selfish putting their needs over others. My in laws fall into this category.

If they’re all going to have to be neutered - presumably that means all females spayed as well - then if that is actually enforced (not that I’m putting any money on it) the breed will die out in the U.K.

Personally, i'd ban all dogs over a certain weight and muscle mass, existing dogs destroyed.

@Alexandra2001 I think extra requirements for owners of dogs over a certain weight is the way to go (even though it will inconvenience people with large less aggressive breeds like Newfoundlands and St Bernard’s). In my area (rural) , there is a huge increase in people buying mastiffs, ridgebacks and Cane Corsos etc for protection. These are wealthy people in huge houses who feel vulnerable because of the absence of a police and an upsurge in violent rural crime. One owner seems incapable of keeping his dog in his property - it frequently gets out and is suspected of killing livestock. Another owner walks his scary pair of mastiffs off lead and I have now changed my dog walk in case I meet them. I am glad XL bullies are likely to be added to the DDA but the problem is wider than this type of dog.

These photos just make me cringe if I’m honest. Having kids lying all over dogs (of any breed) is just evidence it was ok in that moment. Absolutely no dog is 100% everyone has a boiling point and everyone has a bad day. I don’t allow my children to lie over our dogs in anyway.

Not sure what other vets have seen, but these types of dogs are the ones most likely not to be microchipped in my experience, so if they can’t follow that law I’m not convinced they’ll do what’s required as part of the DDA.

This is the problem. Kimbo is in a huge majority of these dogs in the UK and because the breeding pool is smaller, the inbreeding is horrific.

No amount of training is going to work. All dogs with kimbo in the bloodline NEED to be culled. The government didn't have a choice from what I can see.

https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/?fbclid=IwAR0orEJDXykhkN46prcu65Kol72GmuspDNhJBhGsnRdYH5GxR26qtj0qzYI

I feel exactly the same. And I was raised in a dog loving family - we had 4 dogs, various types. I’d never let my dc anywhere near dogs the way some of these people do. Just sheer ignorance and stupidity.

I would be very interested to see the data of how many dogs have been maimed/killed by this breed?

It’s on this thread somewhere.

I don't think there's any central collection point for this data.

BullyWatch have some data but by their own admission it's far from perfect and is primarily sourced from Facebook and NextDoor posts.
https://bullywatch.link/our-data/

It's so sad. I'm a vet and have dealt with a couple of xls and they are terrifying, even muzzled. I don't know what people get out of owning such potentially dangerous animals when there are so many lovely breeds.
I think it's the (incorrect) idea that they are in control of something so powerful. I see it in both men and women, but more commonly men. The ones who walk their dogs off lead near a busy road, because they are in "control " of it (unless it sees something across the street, then I'm treating it for RTA injuries even though "he never runs off like that")
It is the same mentality as the nutters that own tigers/ live alongside bears and wolves. Its all about the (incorrect) idea that they can control these animals. But they can't!
People need to respect animals properly. They are not a thing to control or possess. Not a status symbol. Not all animals make good "pets". Most dogs have been bred to be pets over hundreds of years, but breed characteristics still show through. NO dog is bombproof, but these XLs are so much more dangerous. I wish people could lose this need to dominate (or attempt to dominate) animals, and enjoy those that don't need to be dominated , and respect those that can't.
On the ban, I don't hold out much hope of it being effective. In my experience the police don't understand the existing DDA and don't police it. The existing DDA gives them the right to seize any dog behaving in a threatening manner and not directly under the control of the owner. But whenever my clients have reported dog attacks on their dogs the police are completely uninterested, even though they could pursue under the DDA . Only when a person is fatally wounded do they get involved. Too late. And for the dogs sentenced to death, they don't get euthanased straight away. They are seized and put in kennels until the court case comes up which can be years, especially if the owners appeal. So they sit in kennels unable to be handled until their death sentence comes through. Horrible.

Out of curiosity as a vet can you refuse to treat a banned breed? I just wondered legally where you stand.

I'm not a vet but had a quick skim of the RCVS code of conduct a couple of days ago and I couldn't see any provision for refusing to treat on the basis of breed. There was however a clause where the health and welfare of the animal must be paramount.

Quite what they do when they can't get near the dog because it's stranger reactive and the owner can't adequately restrain it, I don't know. Presumably some sort of restraint equipment and a strong sedative.

The last thing we want - for public safety - is XL Bullies not receiving medical care. Pain is a huge cause of new or worse aggression in dogs.

If the owner was unable to obtain medical care for their dog then they'd be in breach of the Animal Welfare Act too.