American Bully XL to be banned by end of year

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Rishi Sunak has just announced these dogs are to be banned.

Good riddance - who needs a big aggressive dog like that? It’s hardly a family pet.

I do however suspect the ven diagram of ‘people that own an American Bully XL’ and ‘people who will be interested in following this law’ may have a limited overlap however.

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@Lovemusic82 yes I agree. that’s the worry to me that loopholes will be found, probably there already. Just a couple of minutes looking on those awful online puppy sites gives all sorts of cross breed pups I could buy tomorrow. There’s no regulation on breeding and breeders have responsibilies

There needs to be more regulations on breeding and cross breeding. I agree that there will be loop holes, someone will just produce another pit ball look alike to get around the rules. People should need a licence to breed and there should be rules about who dogs are sold too. It’s too easy to just go out and buy a puppy from gumtree or similar places.

@Sux2buthen the poor poster you're insulting has just suffered extreme trauma witnessing a fatal attack by two of these dogs, I think you're being really out of order under the circumstances.

My original comment was general and then this poster called me that directly so I responded.
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I can understand the argument that some of the big dogs originally bred for baiting/fighting shouldn't show human aggression because it would be a really bad trait to have — handlers would have had to handle them when injured/excited. It would have been bred out as quickly as possible.

But I don't think you can make that case for the XL bully because the breeding has been so ridiculously fast, and they're modern — they haven't been bred for a purpose. You've got the muscle to fight a bear, but not tempered by the need to handle them in the aroused state. (Obviously I'm not defending fighting/baiting, just saying that it gave a pressure for how older breeds of fighting dog developed.)

Get one or two dogs that never should have been bred from because they can show human aggression, hire them out to stud (or post their sperm) and you could have hundreds of puppies in a year inheriting those traits.

Then those puppies will be interbred later, by idiots just interested in size/muscle/look (merle can be a really dodgy gene anyway, don't add it on purpose!) and that instability is just concentrated.

@SomeCatFromJapan thank you for that 😊

Just pop onto Insta, type in XL Bully and tell me you’re not terrified by some of the images of the dogs. Most are of dogs raging on the end of a lead, mouths open and photographed to look terrifying. Some of the owners sound barely literate and much of the talk seems to be around genetics and breeding for extreme characteristics. In a sense, these people are what they are, a deviant group in society. What mystifies me though, is that there has been a lot of talk here about teachers and so called upstanding caring people owning them. Why oh why then, given that there are hundreds of breeds of dog, would you choose this breed and align yourself with the sort of people that brought them here and ‘bred’ them? The dogs that killed the poor man in the last few days will have been described last week as ‘harmless’ by their owner. Some folks on here have said their children play with xl bullies of friends. Are you unable to see danger at all before there’s a tragedy? Even if they are not removed and pts, these dogs should not be allowed to live in homes with children and I really hope that the new legislation does something to protect children who have no say at all in this sorry situation.

Am I the only one a bit taken back by these types of comments? Personally I think ANY dog big and powerful enough to be able to overpower a grown adult should require a license for owning, not just XL bullies. Currently anyone can buy a bully, doberman, rottweiler etc with zero effort and weaponise them if they want to.

But to actively wish death upon an entire group of dogs I can't get behind. Surely restricting purchasing, neutering and muzzling them in public and in the car etc massively mitigates the risk to the public. The vast majority of these dogs will be absolutely fine. I'd be heartbroken if any of my pets were ripper from me and euthanised for having done nothing wrong.

But there won't be any culling of them . They will be restricted and controlled until they no longer exist . Which is great . We just have to hope the Gov gets there finger out and does this correctly . We need new laws for all pet ownership . We can no longer allow just anyone to breed anything they want in their kitchen and sell the poor animals online .

@ehupo7 because @Devilsmommy said that no one of 'middle class' has these dogs. So I was pointing out that she is wrong.

@sawnotseen actually I didn't say that just that most belong to twats wanting status symbols, usually from socially deprived areas

I genuinely believe that the Middle Class types of women who have these creatures-or staffies or other such beasts that could kill- suffer from some psychological damage.

Either they need protection so they're basically guard dogs OR suffered some kind of male abuse so they need to have another chance to 'tame' a vicious animal.

Staffies, xl bullies, all those huge- jawed monstrosities that lock jaws, I'd have zero issue with a law being passed that they're all shot in the head on sight in as humane a manner as possible.

It's not really the dogs' fault so I do see that they should not suffer, nevertheless, they should all be put down.

I do however have nothing but contempt for the owners and their stupidity or just nastiness.

I was passing through a London train station a few weeks back and saw what I can only imagine was an XL bully and it was terrifying. The muscles on it scared the crap out of me. Short, stocky, huge head (and jaws) and it walked with a proper prowl on it. The guy walking it looked like a full on road man and the dog was definitely a security dog. It looked overly genetically morphed if that makes sense.

On the flip side one of the pet shops I go to has a smaller bully female and she's soft as anything including with all the other dogs that go in. I think it's a shame that owners like that will be so upset now.

But as a dog owner of a smaller breed I shit myself when I hear stories about dogs and people being attacked. I walk regularly and don't feel safe at all. Knowing that muzzles will be enforced is very reassuring

These XL's are hideously inbred anyway- coefficients of inbreeding of around 40% or higher. This alone can't be helping, they are all really closely related.

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People squawk ''But Bullywatch is biased against ''Bully's'' {sic}
Yes, they are biased, but for good reason.

No one needs a dangerous dog that can impact on other people's lives.

We can't even protect ourselves or our pets here against them like they can in some states in America.

Feel the same as you and also have a smaller dog. Also live in a city and for some reason these dogs often seem to be off lead too (irresponsible owners I guess).

Not something I had considered before, but muzzles on dogs over a certain size is a very good idea. Any dog can react or bite unexpectedly (even dogs with no history of aggression), but the difference is that a smaller, less muscled dog can be overpowered. So many dogs on the streets who the owners would be powerless to stop in the event of an attack.

The last one I saw looked like it belonged in a zoo!!

I said on the other thread about these monstrosities that as long as these and others of their kind roam our green and pleasant land we have the moral, if not legal, right to own guns for our own defence.
Basically people are allowed to walk around with tigers but we the Great British public can do fuck all about it.

God I have nothing but utter contempt for anyone who owns these things (or 'soft as shit') staffiies or their ilk.

Bred for size, strength and aggression, they really are like Frankenstein's monster. Evil stitched to evil stitched to evil.

The proposed measures of compulsory neutering, muzzles, leads and insurance are very welcome. But the children sharing their homes with them, and the children visiting those homes, will remain in danger.

What parent would let their child visit a home with one of these things in it?

@ehupo7 Muzzling is a great idea, but is it even possible to buy muzzles large and strong enough not to be scraped off by these blockheads?

Greyhounds are often muzzled they have a high prey drive- and a responsible rehoming centre insists on muzzling their high prey drive hounds when in a public place, to protect small fluffy dogs and cats.

Owners muzzle coprophagic and scavenging dogs, too.

Whenever I see a muzzled dog {well fitted muzzle that allows drinking, panting, vomiting} I know the owner is responsible.

One older man had a child aggressive dog {terrier mix} that escaped Court ordered destruction only by having it muzzled and leashed at all times.

Dog didn't seem to mind, and the old man was very responsible about it.

Never saw his dog without a muzzle after that.

Well, i would support them being PTS because leads, insurance and muzzles will not protect vulnerable people being torn to pieces by these things inside their own homes, gardens or attacking visitors plus i do not believe many owners will take any notice of the restrictions, so nothing is going to change....

I agree on your comments regarding large dogs of any type, though i'd ban any breed capable of doing this.

There are '000s of people hospitalized each and every year in the UK, so from a pure cost pov, we can't afford it.

Jack Lis' parents.
Once your kids are old enough to go places themselves it becomes very difficult to control their every move. Mine aren't old enough yet, but I couldn't tell you which of their friends have dogs.

Are you suggesting that these dogs are PTS?

@Oysterbabe

I agree.

On Instagram it's crazy how many videos are with babies and toddlers. It's like they want to prove something! Using their surely beloved child as a prop to prove how soft and gentle their giants are?