Peckham shop incident

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What the f have I just watched? A female requesting a refund, then being assaulted? Strangled? Nothing can justify this treatment, even theft (if it’s eventually established that she did take something)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/12/police-investigate-incident-black-shopper-apparently-grabbed-by-throat?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

She started it.

Angry black woman.

It wasn't strangulation.

She's not exactly innocent.

So many posters reaching for reasons as to why it was OK for this man to choke a woman.

Hang on, so all the people who think this is a “racist” incident, that means any incident that occurs to a non white person is always due to race/colour and is racist?? If that’s not racist (towards non white individuals) in and of itself then I don’t know what is.

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There is absolutely no evidence that this was racist. Unless someone has audio

Exactly.

It does no one any favours at all when people jump to accusations of racism without proper evidence.

The responses on here would be totally different if she were white I imagine.

Are there any objective reports/ articles of the incident? All outlets seem to be reporting this differently and it's confusing.

(Not that the lady deserved to be manhandled like that! She didn't! Im just trying to establish the facts!)

I don't know why black women shop in these stores instead of black-owned ones.

Yeah, because men never attack women who are the same colour as them. Oh, wait a minute ...

To the posters more or less defending him by saying it was six of one and half a dozen of the other, think of your own husband/partner/son. Would you condone them behaving in this way to a woman? Can you even imagine it? You KNOW it's wrong. There are better ways to deal with this. Walk away would be my thinking.

We have no choice it's the Asians who sell and own the black products in the shop. I'm not sure the focus should be race here. It needs to be the owner needs to handle theifs better this won't be the first time is this how he navigates a situation?

You only get one side of the story not the bigger picture, she wanted a refund, had no receipt, was refused , then tried to shop lift, in whose world is she the victim when she assaulted him first, admittedly he was rough but who knows how many times she’s been in there and stolen stuff. We don’t know the whole story. People just walk in shops and steal daily and get away with it, and when they are stopped they are the victim…I think not!

No no no. it’s not that simple.

You don’t know the context or you are but are choosing to ignore it.

There are often racial tensions between the non-black hair shop owners and the black communities which they sell to. It’s very likely racial bias played a part which is why people are talking about anti-blackness and racism against women.

I have been called a racial slur in a corner store once before, and been treated much worse than my white counterparts.

And btw, I only knew I was being racially abused because a lot of my friends and exes were Asian and they told me the words to look out for. And for context, I wasn’t even arguing with the shopkeeper in that instance . He just said in his language “hurry up (racial slur) as I walking a bit slowly to the counter.

How did she assault him first? Is there another part of the video missing? In the clip I’ve seen he is strangling her before she hits him with the plastic basket.

but even if she did hit him first, look at the size of him. He could have restrained her without going for her neck. That is just inhumane and brutal.

And from what I understand it wasn’t a simple case of shoplifting, it was him being difficult with a refund - as those shops often are - so she dumped the stuff she had brought back and took something else since he wasn’t letting her have an exchange. So yeah technically still illegal but I think it’s helpful to understand it was part of a consumer dispute.

This is all minor though so I won’t even ge bogged down into the shoplifting aspect of it as someone trying to steal hair profits should not result in being strangled or choked . Period. It’s very demeaning to suggest otherwise.

It’s disgusting. Misogynoir on steroids here. Typical Mumsnet

mumsnet is always like this unfortunately .

She was being entitled demanding a refund against store policy and seemingly without a receipt.
She decided she would help herself to her own exchange.
Apparently theft is no longer a crime and dosnt matter despite it building up and having an impact on the owners and other customers.

The store is not just for black women, many of the products are Asian made.

Anyone who has specific hair needs, hairdressers, people who wear any kind of wig/hair piece will likely use that store

No evidence of racism yet if she was a white woman the headlines would be entitled karen gets put in her place by shop keeper and she would be mocked for days.

Maybe he had enough of her attitude, her violence and her theft?

Don't get nasty when refused a refund against store policy, don't then help yourself to their products and expect to walk out, dosnt matter who you are.

Why do some women think they can do whatever to a man but he can not strike back?

I think there can be racial tensions between both parties in this case, frankly.

Indeed. I live near one of these shops and sometimes pop in for bumper bottles of shampoo/conditioner. I’m telling you now that I have witnessed several incidents where the clientele - mainly young black women, speak to the workers like absolute shit and it’s relentless once they kick off - never seen violence but the staff are usually very quiet and placatory. In the Asian run Tesco Express further along the street I remember watching an altercation between a black man and the workers there, where in performative mode he declared loudly and calmly in ringing tones that “I avoid all the corner shops so I don’t have to deal with you people, I come to Tesco to be safe from you and what do I find? You’re all here too, you’re everywhere!” His onlookers all had a snigger at that I can tell you. At my work as a medical secretary within the NHS, the absolute worst racism I ever saw was directed at the only Asian woman medical secretary on our team from the several black women medical secretaries who made her life an absolute misery. I asked one of them why they hated her so much and she replied shortly “I’m just not going to do what THAT tells me to do…”

I think it’s time to be honest and stop pretending that racial tensions and abuse are only going one way and impacting on one oppressed group. Baffled as to why white people are even being discussed on this thread. No white person was involved.

Also noteworthy is the fact that the majority of “real” hair that black women wear comes from Asian women. There’s some hypocrisy in suggesting black women shouldn’t frequent shops owned by Asians when the product they seek originates physically from them - they literally grew it on their bodies!

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How did she assault him first? Is there another part of the video missing? In the clip I’ve seen he is strangling her before she hits him with the plastic basket.

Yes there is but you have clearly chosen not to view that video ! She was giving as good as she got and has to be restrained by other customers .

Indeed. Living in Singapore was a pretty enlightening experience as to how some non-white people treat Black people (then weirdly assuming I'll agree because I'm white and therefore inherently racist?! Fucking brutal all round).

There's a closing down sign outside the shop today. No doubt they'll re-locate. They're also removing negative reviews.

There are so many Black Women selling hair products at cultural markets and festivals. Also online. There are Black owned hair stores in London, Birmingham, Newcastle, Reading, Leeds, Wales. I don't suppose I can list them here but they're easily found; TikTok is a good guide too.

Anytime I become aware of racism against us in a store, I won't shop there again. & for stores selling our hair products even where staff are Black, I look up Companies House etc information in case they're using us as a 'front'.

Wasting time going back and forth with racists who justify violence against Black Women, is pointless. We can be pro-active. So many of us have unified over this terrible incident. I mean I knew we would, but this time the numbers are unprecedented.

Use racists' support of racist stores/organisations as a wake-up call and a benchmark to withdraw support of said organisations. Let them go shop there if they're that bothered about defending reprehensible actions. See how well that does.

If buying Black means going out of our way a bit, then so be it. We buy many products online - so include Black haircare products in that. We may pay 50p-£1 more elsewhere due to those who like our money and live a great lifestyle via it but still hate us, having a stronghold on wholesalers. But it's about community over convenience

I haven't been in a store like the one involved in this incident, for more years than I can even remember. No need. & in 2023, no excuse either.

I think it’s because there has been so much in the news about shoplifting , how it’s affecting all stores, and how the costs gets passed onto the ordinary shopper that there will be less sympathy for this woman than previously.

I'm just so relieved whitey wasn't involved.

Don’t get too excited, they got a significant honourable mention in the speeches at the protest and I’ve no doubt that the attempts to shoehorn them in will pay off in the end.

Interesting signage here too. Reminds me of another time and place…

🤣 knew they'd get some kind of the blame.