Peckham shop incident

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What the f have I just watched? A female requesting a refund, then being assaulted? Strangled? Nothing can justify this treatment, even theft (if it’s eventually established that she did take something)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/12/police-investigate-incident-black-shopper-apparently-grabbed-by-throat?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Police have watched the whole clip, revisited the shopowner and further to that, he has now been interviewed under caution. The young lady violently assaulted was released without charge yesterday.

As an aside, its quite chilling when a man's 1st thought in an altercation with a woman, particularly a woman nowhere near his size, is to place his hands around her neck and squeeze.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-peckham-shop-incident-as-viral-video-sparks-protest-12960007

Yep. @DeeCeeCherry

I stopped visiting these stores ages ago as I'm not a criminal but that doesn't stop me from being followed around each time. It was funny and tolerable, until it wasn't.

Rather than go through that, I buy online or make my own. Camille Rose works perfectly for my hair anyway.

The woman was bailed.

Refrosty exactly. They know nothing about our hair anyway so I've never missed not entering their stores. Yes, the following around getting in your face. Staring and standing too close, also. I haven't heard of Camille Rose, I must look them up.

As an aside, its quite chilling when a man's 1st thought in an altercation with a woman, particularly a woman nowhere near his size, is to place his hands around her neck and squeeze.

And that people, who I’m assuming are women, think it’s an appropriate response to anything.

And they turned a blind eye to her shoplifting and kicking off too I presume ? Brilliant work.

Haven't rtft but in case it hasn't been posted - watch the whole thing and make your own mind up

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii3X9kJgt-U&si=KTR6um8gRDeKtADU

The Sky News article makes it plain that the police are reviewing all of the clips to see exactly what offences have been committed; that the woman was arrested for assault and bailed and that the man was being interviewed under police caution, which means that enquiries are ongoing.

Given how many extensions are sourced from Asian women that’s not a tenable claim.

Looks like she kung-fu'd him better, she beat his ass and stole from him before he defended himself. Women want to be treated equal and all that 😀

To be honest if she'd have been stealing from me and hitting me like that I'd have probably responded the way he did, regardless of what race she is. Are shoplifters supposed to just be able to go into stores and take what they want now? I know they are in San Francisco. Is this how far we've fallen?

Ask much of the population round there and they’d likely say that yes, they should be allowed to act like that if they want.

The sooner it’s gentrified and people like her are moved out the better for everyone else.

... we have hair under the extensions.

... many of us don't often wear extensions. Some of us, not at all (me, my mum, plenty of women in my life).

... those who do wear extensions wear synthetic hair more than human (because it is costly and doesn't braid well). Synthetic hair is mostly sourced from Asia but it's not like black people didn't have methods before Asia took over.

These shops haven't a clue about our actual hair, all they care about is supplying us with what we need so we will spend our cash. And we do spend our cash, very well. That's been our relationship until very recently when we have options outside of these shops.

Was that his first thought?

Didn't look like it. It looked as if it escalated.

Why was she "violently assaulted" but he wasn't.

She was giving as good as she got.

“All they care about is supplying us with what we need so we will spend our cash”

The very definition of retail & trading the world over!

Sounds mutually beneficial if you stop trading with each other tbh. There’s such clear resentment. I’ve no doubt he will set up elsewhere with perhaps different products. Hopefully he and his future customers will all manage to keep their hands to themselves and pay for and receive payment for goods in the usual socially acceptable way. Looking at how things are going in the US around such matters though, and given how that nonsense nearly always filters over to us, I’m not feeling entirely hopeful.

The nature of any business is that the people running it sell things that people want.They don't have to care about you , they provide a service and ask for remuneration for that service. If you don't like/want that service don't use them. If you are buying shampoo etc you don't need the person selling it to understand you, if you want more than that you need another service.

Well exactly. He's a violent guy and she is a moron to hit hit him with a basket and expect no response. If you hit someone then you are going to get something back in return.

Communities like this will just find that no-one wants to have a shop there, as is happening in Brixton.

Thanks for the education. My point being, an increasing amount of non criminal black folk who never steal and are able to go against expectations and happily pay for goods in a 'socially acceptable way' yet get treated as if we all represent and support this woman for her thieving ways, we are turning away from these shops. I don't need you to smile at me, or even care about me, but I need you to respect me as your customer. I have a business and I have clients, my customers have all of my respect if they choose to do business with me. If they are being unfair, or steal from me, they would lose my respect and should expect to be punished by law of that's the extent of the situation. But I don't expect all customers who look like them are thieves. That is the experience of most black women walking into these places. No more for me.

And nowhere, on any previous posts of this thread, have I even commented about this particular woman. But of course, I'm assumed to be her biggest supporter. Yeah okay. Bye thread.

restraint does not involve dangerously strangling someone around the neck. Such behaviour can never be justified.

If that video featured blonde, middle class Vanessa from Putney then the thread would be all about the giant bullying brown man assaulting the poor woman trying to make a return. Comments would be claiming "cultural differences" which make brown men treat women in violent ways and I'd give it six posts before someone dropped in references to Rotherham.

But of course its about "angry black woman"

The guy should not have put his hands around her neck. No question.

But we also cannot ignore the fact that he was initially trying to stop her leaving the shop with items she hadn’t paid for, before it all escalated and she was also aggressive towards him.

His response was violent and not acceptable, especially considering the size difference. However, I wonder what the longer term implications this incident are going to be for places like Peckham?

In South East London - for example, the local Co-op stores are regularly shoplifted and the staff just have to turn a blind eye to avoid any violence. Many local people have witnessed it happening, but nobody wants to challenge the shoplifters as they know they are likely to be attacked. I guess as the Co-op is a larger chain they can absorb the costs but it just gets passed on to everyone else in higher prices anyway. The shop keepers can report it to the police but nothing will happen.

What is likely to happen after this incident is many stores sadly just won’t want to open in areas like Peckham, especially with the resulting protests and racial tensions between black and Asian communities.

I don’t agree with how the man dealt with the women, but I thinks it’s very naive to only view this incident in isolation of what’s going on in the area as a whole.

If you don’t live in this area it’s all very easy for you to get riled up about it without knowing the full facts, because you won’t have to live with the longer term consequences of this whole awful situation.

I don't want to sound like I'm defending him, because he's wrong here

But

She literally tried to walk out, was involved in a confrontation and whacked him on the head

Neither party has covered themselves in glory, and I hate to say this as a WOC but she does none of us any favours

Do agree that a majority would spin it if it was Asian man-white woman

Minority*

If she did indeed attempt to steal good then colour or sex should have nothing to do with it. Shopkeepers should have a right to protect their livelihood with force. The big question for me is did she attempt to steal goods?