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Barbiesback · 14/09/2023 12:02

@misssunshine4040 are you 5? I've taken part in this debate. People are entitled to hold different views to yourself I think I've told you this at least twice now. You're like a broken record it's YOUR opinion that wants to focus on one particular clip rather than be FAIR and sa the lady was wrong to steal and the man took things WAY TOO FAR!.

Then you're asking me why people are protesting outside the shop.... well one minute you are condoning violence and then the next your wanting to be PC and against mobs.... make your mind up!

misssunshine4040 · 14/09/2023 12:11

@Barbiesback don't be so childish.

PiIlock · 14/09/2023 12:24

@inamarina agree

It's impossible to tell from this brawl whether shop owner or lady were racist here.

Can absolutely say that implying Asian people are parasites is racist. Telling them to get out of your community is nasty and racist. The irony is off the charts for whoever put that sign up

Literally no different to saying black propel should be deported when one person does something. The exact same.

But I'm willing to bet the person who did that will say they can't be racist because they don't have systemic power. I have relatives who don't like Asian people. Black people can be racist. Asian people can be racist.

This is one big tug of war

Ýsette · 14/09/2023 12:53

parfaitamour · 13/09/2023 00:40

Having watched the video of the incident, the man was escorting her back into the shop after she helped herself to some products, AKA shoplifting, she then used a shopping basket to hit him round the head several times, and then he started to get violent as well with her, hand around her neck to restrain her. Both of them being violent.
No white people people involved.
However the lady was creating a scene to start with. She started the violence.
Am I condoning any of the violence? Nope, but she is not some utterly blameless customer.

You are victim blaming. Read the whole story before judging please. She wanted a refund that he wouldn't give so she helped herself . This doesn't deserve strangulation does it?

loislovesstewie · 14/09/2023 12:59

She wasn't being strangled and she hit the man first.

Ýsette · 14/09/2023 12:59

Romiii · 13/09/2023 01:10

Hes so much bigger than her! He could have just stood in her way and blocked her route, ignored her slap, called the police. Instead he assaults her, then puts his hands around her neck. Who knows how much pressure he placed on her windpipe. She whacks him with the basket mid strangle, an attempt to escape her vulnerable situation. It must have been frightening for her, being at risk of serious injury. It’s general knowledge that strangulation is a precursor to murder

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It's like when I watched 2 male security guards detain a shoplifter in Sainsbury's many moons ago. At the time I thought Christ she is struggling and fighting hard with them, but now with training at work, I realise she probably couldn't breathe properly and was literally fighting for breath 🫁 Awful

inamarina · 14/09/2023 13:08

Ýsette · 14/09/2023 12:53

You are victim blaming. Read the whole story before judging please. She wanted a refund that he wouldn't give so she helped herself . This doesn't deserve strangulation does it?

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Of course it doesn’t deserve strangulation, but in what world is it acceptable to just help yourself in a shop without paying?
Wanting a refund is no excuse either, the shop doesn’t have to give it to her.

SouthernFashionista · 14/09/2023 13:16

Agree. It’s revolting.

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DeeCeeCherry · 14/09/2023 13:26

Romiii
Hes so much bigger than her! He could have just stood in her way and blocked her route, ignored her slap, called the police. Instead he assaults her, then puts his hands around her neck. Who knows how much pressure he placed on her windpipe. She whacks him with the basket mid strangle, an attempt to escape her vulnerable situation. It must have been frightening for her, being at risk of serious injury. It’s general knowledge that strangulation is a precursor to murder

Yes. However as a Black Woman, the harshest punishment is what is wished upon her. On this thread, many are metaphorically baying for her blood. Even if she had shoplifted, which she did not - to believe that this warrants choking based on her demographic is repulsive.

It's creepy that as a man, he put his hands around a woman's throat, and squeezed. & that women support that. Hypocritical MN is notorious for complaints about the sexism and practices of Asian men; the outpouring of love and support for this one is simply because they hate Black Women more than they hate Asian men.

PiIlock · 14/09/2023 13:28

She wanted a refund that he wouldn't give so she helped herself . This doesn't deserve strangulation does it?

To be frank, if shoplifting was the reason he throttled her, he would have done it as soon as she tried to leave.

The reason used such violence was because he whacked his head with an object. It was immediately after that event.

You can acknowledge common sense without justifying or taking sides, just saying

PiIlock · 14/09/2023 13:33

DeeCeeCherry · 14/09/2023 13:26

Romiii
Hes so much bigger than her! He could have just stood in her way and blocked her route, ignored her slap, called the police. Instead he assaults her, then puts his hands around her neck. Who knows how much pressure he placed on her windpipe. She whacks him with the basket mid strangle, an attempt to escape her vulnerable situation. It must have been frightening for her, being at risk of serious injury. It’s general knowledge that strangulation is a precursor to murder

Yes. However as a Black Woman, the harshest punishment is what is wished upon her. On this thread, many are metaphorically baying for her blood. Even if she had shoplifted, which she did not - to believe that this warrants choking based on her demographic is repulsive.

It's creepy that as a man, he put his hands around a woman's throat, and squeezed. & that women support that. Hypocritical MN is notorious for complaints about the sexism and practices of Asian men; the outpouring of love and support for this one is simply because they hate Black Women more than they hate Asian men.

Not supporting racism against Asian people = condoning completely irrelevant things relating to other Asian people?

Admitting that she did shoplift = being in favour of choking ?

Not believing everything is racism = racism?

Why the tribalistic mentality? You're basically saying all asian men are bad, it's fucking bizarre. So, if some black youth have issues with gang culture, does that mean we shouldn't care if they're brutlalised/killed too????? Apparently racism against asain people is ok if some people in that description are bad Confused tot for tat then

Too much to unpack here.

inamarina · 14/09/2023 13:41

DeeCeeCherry · 14/09/2023 13:26

Romiii
Hes so much bigger than her! He could have just stood in her way and blocked her route, ignored her slap, called the police. Instead he assaults her, then puts his hands around her neck. Who knows how much pressure he placed on her windpipe. She whacks him with the basket mid strangle, an attempt to escape her vulnerable situation. It must have been frightening for her, being at risk of serious injury. It’s general knowledge that strangulation is a precursor to murder

Yes. However as a Black Woman, the harshest punishment is what is wished upon her. On this thread, many are metaphorically baying for her blood. Even if she had shoplifted, which she did not - to believe that this warrants choking based on her demographic is repulsive.

It's creepy that as a man, he put his hands around a woman's throat, and squeezed. & that women support that. Hypocritical MN is notorious for complaints about the sexism and practices of Asian men; the outpouring of love and support for this one is simply because they hate Black Women more than they hate Asian men.

Who’s baying for her blood on here? Most people say that what the shop owner did was wrong, that he shouldn’t have put his hands around her neck.
Of course, ‘to believe that this warrants choking based on her demographic’ would be repulsive, but who exactly does it here?
I remember seeing only one comment saying that she deserved what she got. Others just point out that she was pretty aggressive too and that she had started attacking him first.
And where did you get the info that she hadn’t shoplifted?

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 13:43

Justanotherlurker · 14/09/2023 11:40

You would have to ask that to the person who has put up a sticker that reads “Parasitic merchants out of our community.” on the shop front...

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I don't feel I'd get a very rational reply from them to be honest. Surely shopkeepers offer a service, if the community don't want it then they don't use it and it closes.

Barbiesback · 14/09/2023 13:44

@inamarina you need to have another read. You are clearly a liar. There has been numerous comments and one openly said. "THAT IS NOT CHOKING". HE DIDNT MURDER.

I should hope not!

Nemesias · 14/09/2023 13:45

DeeCeeCherry · 14/09/2023 13:26

Romiii
Hes so much bigger than her! He could have just stood in her way and blocked her route, ignored her slap, called the police. Instead he assaults her, then puts his hands around her neck. Who knows how much pressure he placed on her windpipe. She whacks him with the basket mid strangle, an attempt to escape her vulnerable situation. It must have been frightening for her, being at risk of serious injury. It’s general knowledge that strangulation is a precursor to murder

Yes. However as a Black Woman, the harshest punishment is what is wished upon her. On this thread, many are metaphorically baying for her blood. Even if she had shoplifted, which she did not - to believe that this warrants choking based on her demographic is repulsive.

It's creepy that as a man, he put his hands around a woman's throat, and squeezed. & that women support that. Hypocritical MN is notorious for complaints about the sexism and practices of Asian men; the outpouring of love and support for this one is simply because they hate Black Women more than they hate Asian men.

You’re just flat out making things up now - nobody is baying for her blood - nobody has said anything about it “being warranted based on her demographic”.

pointing out that this woman is not the innocent some people wish to make her out to be doesn’t make us racist - the man has been almost unanimously denounced by everyone for his actions, there has been no outpouring of love for him - absolute rot for you to suggest there has been. on a par with the poster who confidently said the man used a chokehold on her when it’s patently not true

inamarina · 14/09/2023 13:50

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 13:43

I don't feel I'd get a very rational reply from them to be honest. Surely shopkeepers offer a service, if the community don't want it then they don't use it and it closes.

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Yep. Apart from being a really nasty thing to say about someone, I don’t even get where ‘parasitic’ comes from in this context.

inamarina · 14/09/2023 14:03

Barbiesback · 14/09/2023 13:44

@inamarina you need to have another read. You are clearly a liar. There has been numerous comments and one openly said. "THAT IS NOT CHOKING". HE DIDNT MURDER.

I should hope not!

Hmm? What do you even mean? Is saying ‘he didn’t murder her’ the same as ‘she should have been murdered’?
If I remember correctly, the ‘he didn’t murder her’ comment/ comments were in response to someone else saying that shoplifting doesn’t warrant murder (disclaimer: of course it doesn’t).

Barbiesback · 14/09/2023 14:09

@inamarina the poster put something along the lines of he didn't choke her because the theif didn't die.

That is what I mean. Don't bother reply to things that are basic if you can't understand

AmIAutumnalNow · 14/09/2023 14:16

Barbiesback · 14/09/2023 14:09

@inamarina the poster put something along the lines of he didn't choke her because the theif didn't die.

That is what I mean. Don't bother reply to things that are basic if you can't understand

No one has said that.

The irony of your comment is astonishing

PiIlock · 14/09/2023 14:21

Barbiesback · 14/09/2023 14:09

@inamarina the poster put something along the lines of he didn't choke her because the theif didn't die.

That is what I mean. Don't bother reply to things that are basic if you can't understand

Somebody misunderstood the meaning of strangulation to mean that it must involve killing. They misunderstood a word, no big deal.

inamarina · 14/09/2023 14:25

Barbiesback · 14/09/2023 14:09

@inamarina the poster put something along the lines of he didn't choke her because the theif didn't die.

That is what I mean. Don't bother reply to things that are basic if you can't understand

Discussing what it means ‘to choke someone’ and whether or not it happened in this particular case, as some posters did on this thread, still doesn’t mean that they were ‘baying for her blood’.

inamarina · 14/09/2023 14:25

PiIlock · 14/09/2023 14:21

Somebody misunderstood the meaning of strangulation to mean that it must involve killing. They misunderstood a word, no big deal.

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Exactly.

Lndnmummy · 14/09/2023 14:47

inamarina · 14/09/2023 14:25

Discussing what it means ‘to choke someone’ and whether or not it happened in this particular case, as some posters did on this thread, still doesn’t mean that they were ‘baying for her blood’.

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That is exactly what it means. Thankfully, our local community is a far far cry from mumsnet.

Peckham shop incident
Lndnmummy · 14/09/2023 14:48

inamarina · 14/09/2023 14:25

Exactly.

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Misunderstood😅

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