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Nemesias · 13/09/2023 23:37

DeeCeeCherry · 13/09/2023 23:32

Thank you LndnMummy

"Context" is what abusers and their supporters and enablers attempt to use as justification. I wouldn't dialogue with anybody of that ilk so I'm not reading through much of this thread.

Not even police officers are allowed to use a choke hold. SIA registered staff go through training. The law allows for reasonable force, ie restraint, not a choke hold that can easily go wrong. This man was twice her size and his life was never in danger.

She works in a hairdresser off Rye Lane and spends money in that shop regularly. If ever there was a defining moment to show Black Women how deeply much of society hates them and wants to keep them down, unto the point of people with no skin in the game frothing because we are no longer going to be funding the lavish lifestyles of those who hate us yet want and need our money, then this is it.

Racists, the total lie of the shoplifting story, and ITV News bringing on an Asian woman with an anti-Black stance (presumably then, there's justification for Asian men using brute force so hey, why not any man then?) is just spurring people on to cut off the income of those who disrespect us.

Yes it is heartening to see the community support. This thread doesn't matter. Here in South London does, and people aren't standing for violence against a woman. A colleague was speaking about it today, he (White male) was also at the protest; he was showing me TikTok re this incident - 1000s of Black Women + supporters of Black Women sharing details of Black owned hair shops, Black online suppliers, in London and beyond. I saw some places I didn't even know about. Onwards.

Clearly context matters - he put his hands on her neck for a second - he didn’t put her in a chokehold!

no he shouldn’t have done it but why lie about what happened when there’s clear video evidence?

user1477391263 · 13/09/2023 23:38

What he should have done is grab her under the arms and shove her bodily out of the shop (given that the police in this country have apparently given up arresting thieves), but to be honest he probably would have been accused of anti-black racism anyway, even if he had done that….

parameciumparty · 13/09/2023 23:41

It wasn't a lie about her shoplifting either, she was trying to leave with an armful of stuff.

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 23:48

@PiIlock I think your autie comment is uncalled for. What a ginnal how can you suggest that "all aunties" are letting their kids run up and down the place. Mussi the people you know!

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:48

@DeeCeeCherry the fact that she works in the local hairdressers and frequents this particular shop is interesting.
He probably knows who she is. This gives credence to the idea that there was an issue with a refund which escalated into something more serious . I am sure that more details will come out
I just hope that some of these posters will be ok if their eighteen year old daughter is held in a chokehold by a local shop owner because she stole a bag of ready salted walkers crisps

Nemesias · 13/09/2023 23:54

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:48

@DeeCeeCherry the fact that she works in the local hairdressers and frequents this particular shop is interesting.
He probably knows who she is. This gives credence to the idea that there was an issue with a refund which escalated into something more serious . I am sure that more details will come out
I just hope that some of these posters will be ok if their eighteen year old daughter is held in a chokehold by a local shop owner because she stole a bag of ready salted walkers crisps

It wasn’t a chokehold.

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:55

Nemesias · 13/09/2023 23:54

It wasn’t a chokehold.

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So what was it then?

AmIAutumnalNow · 14/09/2023 00:12

Nemesias · 14/09/2023 00:03

Now now

There's no room for facts and sensible comments on this thread

Lampzade · 14/09/2023 00:14

AmIAutumnalNow · 14/09/2023 00:12

Now now

There's no room for facts and sensible comments on this thread

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So he throttled her.

AmIAutumnalNow · 14/09/2023 00:15

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:48

@DeeCeeCherry the fact that she works in the local hairdressers and frequents this particular shop is interesting.
He probably knows who she is. This gives credence to the idea that there was an issue with a refund which escalated into something more serious . I am sure that more details will come out
I just hope that some of these posters will be ok if their eighteen year old daughter is held in a chokehold by a local shop owner because she stole a bag of ready salted walkers crisps

It looked like her grabbed her after she assaulted him

So as long as my DD sticks to the crisps and doesn't attack then I'm confident she'll be ok

DeeCeeCherry · 14/09/2023 00:59

Lampzade
@DeeCeeCherry the fact that she works in the local hairdressers and frequents this particular shop is interesting
He probably knows who she is. This gives credence to the idea that there was an issue with a refund which escalated into something more serious . I am sure that more details will come out
I just hope that some of these posters will be ok if their eighteen year old daughter is held in a chokehold by a local shop owner because she stole a bag of ready salted walkers crisps

Yes I'd think most of the hairdressers there would frequent his shop. It was an issue with a refund and I do agree more details will come out. But shop never had a good reputation anyway and I wish Black Women had stopped shopping there ages ago. I don't shop in those hair stores but if I had to, it wouldn't have been that one.

As to 'some of these posters' anyone condoning violence against women they aren't even worth the brain matter. But I agree with you. MN has become progressively more racist over the years so its to be expected.

Hestia2023 · 14/09/2023 05:49

I have to admit that his thread has been quite an eye opener. I had not realised until now that there’s such enmity between the black and Asian communities, to the point that black women are calling for a boycott on Asian businesses and to only use black-owned businesses.

I can understand why it’s happening but it feels like we are going backwards, it does not feel like progress.

C4tastrophe · 14/09/2023 06:31

’Only use black-owned businesses’ is a bit racist against non-black businesses.

Nemesias · 14/09/2023 06:33

Lampzade · 14/09/2023 00:14

So he throttled her.

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Throttling means to strangle - by its definition he didn’t do that either. She sustained no injury, clearly, because she was able to violently assault him afterwards. He put his hand round her throat briefly before he transferred his grip to her arms.

Again, he shouldn’t have done it and nobody is condoning it, but what he did doesn’t negate her extreme aggression - some posters seem to think that she’s done nothing wrong because he briefly grabbed her round the neck. They are both in the wrong here.

using words like throttled, strangled and especially chokehold when that’s clearly not what happened - what would you be saying if he hadn’t touched her neck? If he physically restrained her without doing that?

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lollipoprainbow · 14/09/2023 06:48

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:48

@DeeCeeCherry the fact that she works in the local hairdressers and frequents this particular shop is interesting.
He probably knows who she is. This gives credence to the idea that there was an issue with a refund which escalated into something more serious . I am sure that more details will come out
I just hope that some of these posters will be ok if their eighteen year old daughter is held in a chokehold by a local shop owner because she stole a bag of ready salted walkers crisps

It wasn't a chokehold or a packet of ready salted crisps though was it. It looked like expensive items she was thieving.

Lampzade · 14/09/2023 07:09

Nemesias · 14/09/2023 06:33

Throttling means to strangle - by its definition he didn’t do that either. She sustained no injury, clearly, because she was able to violently assault him afterwards. He put his hand round her throat briefly before he transferred his grip to her arms.

Again, he shouldn’t have done it and nobody is condoning it, but what he did doesn’t negate her extreme aggression - some posters seem to think that she’s done nothing wrong because he briefly grabbed her round the neck. They are both in the wrong here.

using words like throttled, strangled and especially chokehold when that’s clearly not what happened - what would you be saying if he hadn’t touched her neck? If he physically restrained her without doing that?

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Ok
So he is simply massaging her neck then…

Lampzade · 14/09/2023 07:11

lollipoprainbow · 14/09/2023 06:48

It wasn't a chokehold or a packet of ready salted crisps though was it. It looked like expensive items she was thieving.

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FFS

loislovesstewie · 14/09/2023 07:13

You know, having spent all my adult life in the public sector interviewing customers, I can say that some people;
Don't hear the word 'no'.
Go from 0-60 like a Ferrari when they hear 'no'.
Become verbally abusive or violent at the first mention of 'no'.
Don't react politely or in a reasonable manner.
And;
Don't listen.
No matter how polite i was some people aren't reasonable or polite.
On another thread I said I never gave permission to be recorded because recordings can be manipulated.
We don't see all that happens here, i am sure. Clips are being shown which might not tell the whole story. So, is the footage being manipulated? I don't know.
I don't see a choke hold; others do.
I do see the woman slap/hit the man and then all hell breaking out.
The allegation is that she wanted a refund , which is not the policy of the store. She then decided, allegedly, to take items in recompense.
He tries to stop her,hence the slap.
I hope any child of mine would not behave that way, and try to take items.
BTW, I have told both my kids [now adults] that if anyone hits them they can defend themselves. Neither of my kids are punchbags , I don't care if the person hitting them is male or female, if a person thinks they can hit either and walk away then they don't have any excuse if they are slapped back. And I've brought mine up to be polite and not get violent.
Both parties have now been bailed, so we can only await any further action.

Nemesias · 14/09/2023 07:18

Lampzade · 14/09/2023 07:09

Ok
So he is simply massaging her neck then…

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where did I say that?

PiIlock · 14/09/2023 07:23

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 23:48

@PiIlock I think your autie comment is uncalled for. What a ginnal how can you suggest that "all aunties" are letting their kids run up and down the place. Mussi the people you know!

I said some. Please quote where I said all🤔

Not uncalled for anyway, why would it be? People have no accountability for what goes on in their own homes yet pack up everything when a member of another race has a fight with a black woman

It's a private matter between two people behaving poorly. We have bigger fish to fry in Peckham besides a fight that got out of control, which the police are dealing with.

Lampzade · 14/09/2023 07:23

loislovesstewie · 14/09/2023 07:13

You know, having spent all my adult life in the public sector interviewing customers, I can say that some people;
Don't hear the word 'no'.
Go from 0-60 like a Ferrari when they hear 'no'.
Become verbally abusive or violent at the first mention of 'no'.
Don't react politely or in a reasonable manner.
And;
Don't listen.
No matter how polite i was some people aren't reasonable or polite.
On another thread I said I never gave permission to be recorded because recordings can be manipulated.
We don't see all that happens here, i am sure. Clips are being shown which might not tell the whole story. So, is the footage being manipulated? I don't know.
I don't see a choke hold; others do.
I do see the woman slap/hit the man and then all hell breaking out.
The allegation is that she wanted a refund , which is not the policy of the store. She then decided, allegedly, to take items in recompense.
He tries to stop her,hence the slap.
I hope any child of mine would not behave that way, and try to take items.
BTW, I have told both my kids [now adults] that if anyone hits them they can defend themselves. Neither of my kids are punchbags , I don't care if the person hitting them is male or female, if a person thinks they can hit either and walk away then they don't have any excuse if they are slapped back. And I've brought mine up to be polite and not get violent.
Both parties have now been bailed, so we can only await any further action.

Tbh I get the impression from other posters (and others online )who are familiar with this shop that it is not solely about this particular incident but a series of incidents
There seems to be some conflict between the local community and the Asian shop owner.

They have now decided to boycott his business.

PiIlock · 14/09/2023 07:28

You'll leave your flat in the morning to call Asian shop owners parasitic merchants and to get out of your community. It's the hypocrisy when someone else does something.

Come on now. I don't have to blindly support someone because they're the same colour or background.

See how quickly Sasha Johnson has dropped from the radar? That, basically. Those same sons, no?

Lndnmummy · 14/09/2023 08:45

AmIAutumnalNow · 13/09/2023 22:44

@Lndnmummy You appear to be struggling a wee bit with understanding my post

How in the name of god is choking evidence of RACISM?

That's why I mentioned audio. Did anyone hear evidence of RACISM?

Choking isn't it, sorry to burst your bubble

I must say I think YOU are the one struggling with comprehension. Not a wee bit either.
How in the name of God, is choking a black woman NOT evidence of racism. How is the Met arresting HER not evidence of racism. How is the 9 pages of 'whataboutary' on this thread not racism?