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Malariahilaria · 2023-09-07T11:45:15+00:00

I don't know why but this has captured my imagination. Daniel Khalife escaped prison by clinging to the underside of a delivery van. Now I'm wondering when did he let go? Where did he hide? Is it like the fugitive where he hides in a hen house out house and steals a doctor's uniform from a hospital? Where would you hide if you had to? Where do you get food and water and shelter?

Willmafrockfit · 09/09/2023 08:25

and they are using this to say the prison is in a bad place, short staffed etc.,

EasternStandard · 09/09/2023 08:27

Zonder · 09/09/2023 08:23

Firstly I would love to know what you know about Wandsworth as it seems from stats to be very unusual. According to inews there were only 3 escapees in the whole UK in the last 3 years.

Secondly he must be a danger in one way or another, either physically or in terms of what he knows or has access to.

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It is rare going by those numbers

HorseyHorsham · 09/09/2023 08:30

Malariahilaria · 07/09/2023 12:52

I would worry about speed humps if I was clinging to the underside of a van, easy to smack your head on. Maybe the van drivers were in on it and just got him a few hundred meters up the road? In these days though, with so little cash you couldn't even mug someone and nick a few quid for food could you?

I’d say the van driver is absolutely shitting themselves. Assisting Terrorism (or whatever its official name is) is a very serious “Throw the Book At Them” sort of offence that covers very very innocuous actions.

It’s a long time ago but I remember a tv programme where van driver paid £300 to transport drugs who got 18 years in prison. The look on his face when he arrived at the prison to start his sentence was shocking.

Seashellies · 09/09/2023 08:32

HorseyHorsham · 09/09/2023 08:30

I’d say the van driver is absolutely shitting themselves. Assisting Terrorism (or whatever its official name is) is a very serious “Throw the Book At Them” sort of offence that covers very very innocuous actions.

It’s a long time ago but I remember a tv programme where van driver paid £300 to transport drugs who got 18 years in prison. The look on his face when he arrived at the prison to start his sentence was shocking.

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They've cleared the driver though haven't they and have stated he has been assisting the investigation with no indication he was part of the plan?

housethatbuiltme · 09/09/2023 08:34

Escapes happen more often than people think... as long as they aren't highly dangerous maximum security they usually don't care much and just hope they 'show up' eventually.

The famous case of 'the nude in the nettles' (on of England few Jane Doe cases) was believed to be an escaped convict who was known to hitchhike that route and had a similar old shattered ankle injury. Then the police received a hand written letter complete with signatures and fingerprints from the escapee to tell them she was still alive and not the Jane Doe. They never re-caught the escapee, if anything they seemed to respect that she took the risk to highlight the mistake.

notimagain · 09/09/2023 08:39

Those with long memories will recall that in pre-CCTV days John McVicar managed to escape from one of HMPs and quietly hide away in south London for a couple of years before being recaptured...

Despite all the talk of daring exfil and extraction it's quite possible Khalife is sat in a London flat watching TV or reading MN with a mate ordering in the food via Uber.

SecretShambles · 09/09/2023 08:42

Wildhorses2244 · 09/09/2023 07:23

It’s fascinating, thinking about how you would do it and where you would go.

I think if it was me escaping I would have made it a priority to have some money with me. Enough to shave my head, buy a suit and get a train to a city where I have no connection. So a risky hour whilst I got that done but pretty safe after that.

I reckon suit and sunglasses would be the best disguise - it’s a pretty “invisible “ uniform and one that wouldn’t be expected. As a woman I’d go for work clothes with headscarf and sunglasses.

Then call a friend from a pay phone and get them to book me 2 weeks in a pretty anonymous premier inn. Go out enough to not cause suspicion but stay in as much as possible. Don’t try to go abroad until the search is stepped down - a month or so maybe

Wonder if he donned a burqha to change hos identity.
Full burqha in London not unusual and nobody will be suspecting that

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 09/09/2023 08:43

housethatbuiltme · 09/09/2023 08:34

Escapes happen more often than people think... as long as they aren't highly dangerous maximum security they usually don't care much and just hope they 'show up' eventually.

The famous case of 'the nude in the nettles' (on of England few Jane Doe cases) was believed to be an escaped convict who was known to hitchhike that route and had a similar old shattered ankle injury. Then the police received a hand written letter complete with signatures and fingerprints from the escapee to tell them she was still alive and not the Jane Doe. They never re-caught the escapee, if anything they seemed to respect that she took the risk to highlight the mistake.

I didn't know about the nettles case, I googled it and it's pretty tragic, especially for two families with missing people who could possibly match up

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/past-times/5239786/nude-in-the-nettles-aberdeenshire/

Was missing Highland woman the victim of notorious 1981 'Nude in the Nettles' mystery? Cold case detectives testing north-east DNA to find out

Could DNA from two Aberdeenshire men finally put a name to the "Sutton Bank Jane Doe" whose body was found dumped in Yorkshire in 1981? The case, dubbed

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/past-times/5239786/nude-in-the-nettles-aberdeenshire

ZadocPDederick · 09/09/2023 08:47

girlfriend44 · 07/09/2023 12:59

Another incompetence but never mind lessons will be learnt.

I expect he was strapped on and yes no doubt had help.

I think it has more to do with chronic underfunding of the prison service, which is of course yet another Tory government cock-up.

Zonder · 09/09/2023 08:48

@EasternStandard yes so that's one reason it would be on the news.

@housethatbuiltme that doesn't seem to be the case from the figures I posted above.

JudgeRudy · 09/09/2023 08:48

I'd guess he's a convert/revert. Maybe he's off to Syria to fight for his cause. I'd want a deeper understanding of his cause before I decided how dangerous he is. He's a massive risk taker. He's likely single with no big emotional ties to others. I'd say that makes him potentially extremely dangerous....just to who!

NannyWanny1 · 09/09/2023 08:52

He looks about 16 - nothing to make him stand out in a crowd -obvs assisted in his escape- I will be very surprised if he gets caught, he’s hiding out - he’s a terrorist pure and simple and must be a dangerous one considering the manhunt going on,

Maneattraction · 09/09/2023 08:52

I am following this as I’m fascinated by the escape. Inside job? Not inside job? Where did he get the strapping from?

I suspect he is a bit of a survival expert from the bits I’ve read about his time in the army and could be on the run for a long time.

No doubt it’ll be a 3 part TV serialisation next Xmas and we can all come back to this thread and check out the theories v what actually happened! Perhaps we should predict the TV stars who will star in it. I’m going for Nick The Greek from Lock Stock as the lorry driver. Martin Clunes as the Prison Governor or Police Chief?

Ffghhhbdbfb · 09/09/2023 08:53

I am surprised there is not an appeal for dash cam and cctv footage all along the van route and at/from the areas with sitings. It is so lame and performative. Massive checks at airports, yet has every black car on the road of the siting been identified and every tall male walking from Wandsworth roundabout.

Willmafrockfit · 09/09/2023 08:54

well there are police appeals, for the public's help, so i guess people will be checking their dash cams from the area - particularly with a reward

FrillyGoatFluff · 09/09/2023 08:55

We've trained him in how to evade capture and survival, can hardly complain when he then uses those skills 😂 am a little confused as to why he wasn't in the Colchester military prison though, given he was in active service when he committed his crime. Presumably it was the nature of it? I guess it's too iffy putting someone feeding back military info into a military prison?

No idea why they're faffing about closing motorways in Kent, I don't think his mode of prison escape signals a vehicle underside fetish... doubt they're going to find him clinging to the bottom of a fiesta in a bid to make his way onto the channel tunnel.

My guess is there will have been a bag of clothes, cash, dodgy passport and a phone stashed somewhere near that roundabout, ready for him to jump into and disappear into the London melee and make his way to Heathrow.

Pure speculation obviously, based solely on too much watching the news and an overactive imagination.

Seashellies · 09/09/2023 08:56

Maneattraction · 09/09/2023 08:52

I am following this as I’m fascinated by the escape. Inside job? Not inside job? Where did he get the strapping from?

I suspect he is a bit of a survival expert from the bits I’ve read about his time in the army and could be on the run for a long time.

No doubt it’ll be a 3 part TV serialisation next Xmas and we can all come back to this thread and check out the theories v what actually happened! Perhaps we should predict the TV stars who will star in it. I’m going for Nick The Greek from Lock Stock as the lorry driver. Martin Clunes as the Prison Governor or Police Chief?

He won't have learnt many survival skills/evading detection skills in his short time in the signals. Basic training would do just that- cover the basics, but it's very different on exercise than it would be trying to evade the authorities for a prolonged period likely without much/any resources. In his role and the short time served he won't have been exposed to any of that.

I would guess that the straps were fashioned from something quite easy to get hold of so they won't want to say as to not inspire others. My first thought was perhaps the trousers if he had another pair underneath.

SpanieAttack · 09/09/2023 08:59

Maneattraction · 09/09/2023 08:52

I am following this as I’m fascinated by the escape. Inside job? Not inside job? Where did he get the strapping from?

I suspect he is a bit of a survival expert from the bits I’ve read about his time in the army and could be on the run for a long time.

No doubt it’ll be a 3 part TV serialisation next Xmas and we can all come back to this thread and check out the theories v what actually happened! Perhaps we should predict the TV stars who will star in it. I’m going for Nick The Greek from Lock Stock as the lorry driver. Martin Clunes as the Prison Governor or Police Chief?

I don’t think that he did escape underneath a van.

I think he is a spy and spies from another country helped him escape and the MI5 have made up the lorry thing as they don’t what to tell the truth about how he was broken out.

My opinion however, is based solely on knowledge gained from Homeland, Spooks, 24 and maybe the odd Bond film 😆

It doesn’t add up though.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2023 08:59

FrillyGoatFluff · 09/09/2023 08:55

We've trained him in how to evade capture and survival, can hardly complain when he then uses those skills 😂 am a little confused as to why he wasn't in the Colchester military prison though, given he was in active service when he committed his crime. Presumably it was the nature of it? I guess it's too iffy putting someone feeding back military info into a military prison?

No idea why they're faffing about closing motorways in Kent, I don't think his mode of prison escape signals a vehicle underside fetish... doubt they're going to find him clinging to the bottom of a fiesta in a bid to make his way onto the channel tunnel.

My guess is there will have been a bag of clothes, cash, dodgy passport and a phone stashed somewhere near that roundabout, ready for him to jump into and disappear into the London melee and make his way to Heathrow.

Pure speculation obviously, based solely on too much watching the news and an overactive imagination.

He could be in the boot of another car after switching though?

When was the confirmed sighting, two days ago? So maybe still in the country

I agree with pp in those more casual photos he looks so young

Seashellies · 09/09/2023 09:00

FrillyGoatFluff · 09/09/2023 08:55

We've trained him in how to evade capture and survival, can hardly complain when he then uses those skills 😂 am a little confused as to why he wasn't in the Colchester military prison though, given he was in active service when he committed his crime. Presumably it was the nature of it? I guess it's too iffy putting someone feeding back military info into a military prison?

No idea why they're faffing about closing motorways in Kent, I don't think his mode of prison escape signals a vehicle underside fetish... doubt they're going to find him clinging to the bottom of a fiesta in a bid to make his way onto the channel tunnel.

My guess is there will have been a bag of clothes, cash, dodgy passport and a phone stashed somewhere near that roundabout, ready for him to jump into and disappear into the London melee and make his way to Heathrow.

Pure speculation obviously, based solely on too much watching the news and an overactive imagination.

Colchester isn't technically a prison, its a correctional facility and whilst it's run and overseen as a prison as it were they can only hold people who fit specific criteria. If the sentence or potential sentence if awaiting trial is longer than 2 years then they're transferred to a civvy prison, which would be the case here as well as the fact he was discharged from service quite promptly I expect.

OrlandointheWilderness · 09/09/2023 09:11

He is clearly masquerading as a washer woman in a local hotel.

Hawkins0009 · 09/09/2023 09:11

SpanieAttack · 09/09/2023 08:18

I haven’t seen that @Hawkins0009 but have put in my list. I love a good double agent.

for espionage related shows

la femme nikita (the original tv series)
covert affairs (5 seasons)
the agency (two seasons)
Spooks (10 seasons)

Hawkins0009 · 09/09/2023 09:12

SpanieAttack · 09/09/2023 08:59

I don’t think that he did escape underneath a van.

I think he is a spy and spies from another country helped him escape and the MI5 have made up the lorry thing as they don’t what to tell the truth about how he was broken out.

My opinion however, is based solely on knowledge gained from Homeland, Spooks, 24 and maybe the odd Bond film 😆

It doesn’t add up though.

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i wonder if he walked straight out the front door

Maneattraction · 09/09/2023 09:12

@Seashellies I read:

The Signaller (DK) underwent SERE — Survive, Evade, Resist and Escape — training during his service

Apparently he went on lone survival weekends too.

to be fair that info was in The Sun and DM thou.

I like the 2 pairs of trousers theory.

notimagain · 09/09/2023 09:17

We've trained him in how to evade capture and survival, can hardly complain when he then uses those skills 😂

A few of the details of escape and evasion training given to UK forces goes (or used to) into the category of "shall not be talked about" but I think it's OK to say at a basic level for your average service person it's training about how stay alive and hidden on somewhere like Dartmoor for a few days, not training in James Bond style stuff that supposedly equips you to escape from custody in a secure prison by strapping yourself under a lorry...

However it will certainly suit some to continue to paint a picture of him being "highly trained" in Escape and Evasion..

am a little confused as to why he wasn't in the Colchester military prison

As I understand it he was on remand due charges under the Official Secrets Act, and AFAIK that always sees you being held in a proper prison, not a military establishment.