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Should I tell our neighbour we can see her through the window?

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sendinganangel · 07/09/2023 09:01

So often when I go up to get my daughter sorted in her room, my neighbour is visible from what I assume is her room.

She has 2 young children of her own for context

My daughter is 4 and said this morning 'look mummy, the neighbour lady has her boobies out' Grin

Would you tell your neighbour you can see them? Do you think she knows this and just isn't putting curtails up

I and my husband have also seen her in the evenings, when we've put the bin out or something... she will be standing there at her sink washing up and appears completely naked... definitely topless

We live across from her so can see in

OP posts:
Itwasntmeguv · 07/09/2023 13:02

Wheresthebloomingsummersunshine · 07/09/2023 12:45

Maybe she's a naturist?
20 years ago our retired neighbours loved to sunbathe naked in their garden (which was overlooked by flats) and he did the ironing in their bay window (no curtains or blinds). The ironing board was luckily about waist level so covered his bits.

I was just jealous when you said HE did the ironing! I wouldn't care if my DH threw his balls over his shoulder and tied a knot in his dick if it meant he did the ironing!

Quiethowlsinluditebeck · 07/09/2023 13:08

You can only see this if you look. Don’t look.

Anxioys · 07/09/2023 13:09

Riapia · 07/09/2023 12:54

Is she still visible if you don’t climb onto your DD’s wardrobe.
😉😁😁😁

I am outraged. I climbed onto a ladder and looked out of my window and the nudity was present for the whole ten minutes I was looking.

Scandalous behaviour by the neighbour

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 07/09/2023 13:13

Loving all these people who “forget” to put their tits away and do the hoovering naked. Yup-have seen all these people in A&E with their supposed naked accidents 😂

Tbf do what you like but if you’re causing offence and have it pointed out to you that you’re causing offence then you are being a bit of a dick and are open to being reported if you don’t stop.

You can’t put your own values on to other people and nor should you try. Only on MN would everyone pile on saying they’d be happy if their neighbours were naked all the time and their kids were asking questions. In reality though, most people would find it a wee bit uncomfortable and most kids, mine included would be having a right laugh because to them, bums and tits are funny. It is the norm that we don’t walk around naked in front of others (barring the beach), tits are sexual whereas a man’s chest is not-not that I like seeing a topless man in Asda on a Saturday either. If you want to be naked in your own home then put some voiles up or draw the blind-if you’re standing at the window washing up you KNOW that you can be seen and you’re doing it for effect.

Janieforever · 07/09/2023 13:20

Quiethowlsinluditebeck · 07/09/2023 13:08

You can only see this if you look. Don’t look.

Totally. How dare you glance out your window op. Don’t you realise there could be naked people around. Keep your blinds shut. Your nakey neighbours don’t need to shut their blinds, but just in case you or your kids inadvertently glance out your window, live in darkness, ya big perv you\

these responses. Lol.

😂

WeWereInParis · 07/09/2023 13:24

Tbf do what you like but if you’re causing offence and have it pointed out to you that you’re causing offence then you are being a bit of a dick and are open to being reported if you don’t stop.

You can’t put your own values on to other people and nor should you try.

But why, in this scenario, are you saying that the naked person is putting their values onto other people, rather than a peeping neighbours who have a problem with it?

I actually agree that a bit of consideration is reasonable. But I don't think it's true to say that the only person attempting to impose their values is the naked one.

Mikimoto · 07/09/2023 13:33

Say to her "If I don't see you through the week, I'll see you through the window".

Slutdrop · 07/09/2023 13:37

I'm going through menopause and often walk round half naked as I can't stand the hot flashes, including washing up, etc. Hope it's not me 😂

Asyousayit · 07/09/2023 13:40

This reminds me of something that happened years ago in my area. There was a multi storey nursing home and opposite was a row of shops with businesses underneath. One night one of the staff at the nursing home noticed all the residents were more tired than usual in the daytime and napping more therefore missing their dinners...turns out they were going onto their balconies and watching a prostitute with her clients each night 😮

Iusedtoliveinsanfrancisco · 07/09/2023 13:40

Just tell her. She’s got enough in her plate without your husband perving.

idrinkandiknowthings · 07/09/2023 13:41

SnakesandKnives · 07/09/2023 10:14

Have exactly the same issue. Lovely Italian couple who live opposite but no bedroom curtains. He has a gigantic tummy which is often framed on the window late at night and she has boobs bigger than my head. At Christmas they were both nicely ringed by sparkly Christmas lights round the window each evening 😂

Howling!!! 😂😂😂

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/09/2023 13:43

It's not some random man or lone woman with a kink though

Only 'random men' and 'lone women' have kinks eh?

outdooryone · 07/09/2023 13:48

Is this a version of the Friends Ugly Naked Guy?

Mistressanne · 07/09/2023 13:49

Mikimoto · 07/09/2023 13:33

Say to her "If I don't see you through the week, I'll see you through the window".

😅😅😅

Janieforever · 07/09/2023 14:05

WeWereInParis · 07/09/2023 13:24

Tbf do what you like but if you’re causing offence and have it pointed out to you that you’re causing offence then you are being a bit of a dick and are open to being reported if you don’t stop.

You can’t put your own values on to other people and nor should you try.

But why, in this scenario, are you saying that the naked person is putting their values onto other people, rather than a peeping neighbours who have a problem with it?

I actually agree that a bit of consideration is reasonable. But I don't think it's true to say that the only person attempting to impose their values is the naked one.

Give over how is she peeping. She’s allowed to look out her window. 😂

shearwater · 07/09/2023 14:08

The only tits I want to see out of my window are the avian variety.

She sounds thoughtless at best, doing it deliberately at worst.

LakieLady · 07/09/2023 14:15

Dolores87 · 07/09/2023 11:06

I would put a note through the door.

When I was in my early 20s I had a flat. I didn't realise the curtains were so sheer you could see through them until when I was packing up to leave and was in the dark outside. Pretty sure all the neighbouring flats could have watched me having sex for the 2 years I lived there 😅 I wish someone had just let me know.

I couldn't afford curtains when I bought my first house, so got some of those cheap bamboo blinds for the bedroom.

I'd lived there for around 4 years before I left the bedroom light on by mistake and went out for the evening. As I got out of a taxi some hours later, I was horrified to see that, from the street, you could see every detail of the wallpaper, my dressing gown hanging on the wardrobe door etc.

God knows what the people over the road had seen in that 4 years. My house was down several steps and the ones across the street were 3-storey town houses, so they will have had an absolute grandstand view.

I still feel embarrassed nearly 40 years later, and really wish someone had told me.

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:23

sendinganangel · 07/09/2023 09:19

You wouldn't cover up if you knew a neighbour could see you and found it unsettling?

Nope. I wouldn’t stop regardless of who found it unsettling.

it’s my own home and Iove walking round mine naked. I spend a lot of time on my body and I’m proud of it!

shearwater · 07/09/2023 14:28

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:23

Nope. I wouldn’t stop regardless of who found it unsettling.

it’s my own home and Iove walking round mine naked. I spend a lot of time on my body and I’m proud of it!

@Cerealkillerontheloose If someone could see you and you knew it caused them distress, in the UK you would be committing an offence.

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 provides a clear definition of what indecent exposure is in the UK. Indecent exposure is an offence where:

  • A person intentionally exposes their genitals, and
  • They intend for someone to see them and be caused alarm or distress
It is important to note that both parts of the offence feature specific intent. If someone has accidentally exposed their genitals, this is not considered to be indecent exposure.

It's fine to walk naked round the house if no-one outside can see you and no-one else in the house is bothered about it.

But once you know, and that it causes distress, it moves to an offence.

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:29

Prestonparks · 07/09/2023 09:22

I dont think there is anything you can do without huge embarassment/ awkwardness really so I would let it go.

I would just laugh it off light heartedly - oh some people feel more comfortable without clothes/ she must be hot type thing!

Surely we should be teaching our children (and ourselves) to accept people for what they are and let them get on with it. There is nothing inherently wrong or shameful about seeing a naked body and we shouldnt be trying to shield children from bodies of all shapes and sizes. If its not hurting other people or causing offence it shouldnt be a problem.

(I say this having lived in Brighton for 20+ years where we have seen various interesting things like this - I tell my children to accept peoples right to be different - if we were all the same the world would be very dull)

This!!!!

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:30

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 07/09/2023 09:34

There have been cases of this which were clearly flashing, and went to court and people were told to cover up if they were visible from outside, even if in their own home. There are limits to what you can do even in the privacy of your own home.

Which court cases? I’d like to read them

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:33

shearwater · 07/09/2023 14:28

@Cerealkillerontheloose If someone could see you and you knew it caused them distress, in the UK you would be committing an offence.

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 provides a clear definition of what indecent exposure is in the UK. Indecent exposure is an offence where:

  • A person intentionally exposes their genitals, and
  • They intend for someone to see them and be caused alarm or distress
It is important to note that both parts of the offence feature specific intent. If someone has accidentally exposed their genitals, this is not considered to be indecent exposure.

It's fine to walk naked round the house if no-one outside can see you and no-one else in the house is bothered about it.

But once you know, and that it causes distress, it moves to an offence.

Legally I don’t think boobs class as genitals…..

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:35

shearwater · 07/09/2023 14:28

@Cerealkillerontheloose If someone could see you and you knew it caused them distress, in the UK you would be committing an offence.

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 provides a clear definition of what indecent exposure is in the UK. Indecent exposure is an offence where:

  • A person intentionally exposes their genitals, and
  • They intend for someone to see them and be caused alarm or distress
It is important to note that both parts of the offence feature specific intent. If someone has accidentally exposed their genitals, this is not considered to be indecent exposure.

It's fine to walk naked round the house if no-one outside can see you and no-one else in the house is bothered about it.

But once you know, and that it causes distress, it moves to an offence.

Also. Legally I’d have to flash someone INTENDING for them to see. To cause distress.

here’s an example.

If I stood naked at my door, is it classed as public indecency?

Hello, so me and my partner have had a debate about whether it would class as public indecency or not. We aren’t planning on doing it fyi, just curious if so we were to answer the door and people saw us stood there naked but we were in our home, is it a criminal offence?

There is no offence specifically called "public indecency" in English law (and in this answer I assume you are talking about English or Welsh law; a different criminal law applies in Scotland, and another in Northern Ireland). We have a few close analogues which I'll discuss below.

The answer to your question is: probably not, depending on your intention. Nudism is not illegal per se in England and Wales.

The first is the offence of "exposure", under section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. This offence is committed when you:

• intentionally expose your genitals, and
• intend that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress.

If you intentionally expose your genitals intending that someone will see them, but without intending to cause alarm or distress, then the offence is not complete. Essentially: this offence prohibits "flashing", but not nudism.

If you also intend that the person to whom you open the door will be caused alarm or distress, then the offence is complete.

Important to note is that the offence does not require you to derive sexual gratification from the exposure (though that is why most people do it), and also that this offence can occur in any place, public or private.

The second is the offence of "outraging public decency", under common law (meaning it's not actually written down in law, it's developed by the courts many many years ago and has just stuck around). This offence is committed when you:

• do an act which is of a lewd, obscene and disgusting nature, and which is capable of seriously offending the public's sense of decency;
• in a place where there is a real danger that members of the general public might witness it; and
• in a place and in circumstances where at least two other people could see the act in question, even if they don't

In this case, I don't think that merely "being naked" is lewd, obscene and disgusting. If you masturbated, for example, then that would probably qualify.

You may be interested in reading the guidance produced by the College of Policing (the professional body for policing in England and Wales) on policing public nudity.

shearwater · 07/09/2023 14:37

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:33

Legally I don’t think boobs class as genitals…..

I was specifically referring to you, not the neighbour in the OP. You stated you were naked in the house and would not stop doing this even if a neighbour saw you and you knew it upset them. That would be a sexual offence.

Cerealkillerontheloose · 07/09/2023 14:38

shearwater · 07/09/2023 14:37

I was specifically referring to you, not the neighbour in the OP. You stated you were naked in the house and would not stop doing this even if a neighbour saw you and you knew it upset them. That would be a sexual offence.

Incorrect. As posted above.