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Lucy Letby

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Pinkyandtheose · 24/08/2023 12:15

I went to post on the thread I was on yesterday but it said it's not taking any new replies. I went to look for another thread but I couldn't find one.

Why did she do it, does anyone know?
Apparantly there was an affair with a consultant. Is that true?

Did she do it for attention from him?
Or was he not fully available for her and she did it to try and hurt him and frame him and punish him?

It's horrific what she did and families have lost their babies and other families left with life long conditions to deal with.

She put her colleagues in an awful position too, time and time again where they had to deal with the sudden deterioration of babies and many of them were doing well and then someone probably a doctor or consultant had to explain to parents about the death of their baby while not really fully understanding why themselves until a pattern emerged and their suspicions grew.

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MajesticWhine · 16/09/2023 08:58

You said "If it's bullet proof, leave to appeal will be denied, it won't be."
I would like to know what makes you so sure - ie your opinion.

WhiteFire · 16/09/2023 08:59

978q · 15/09/2023 19:01

I believe leave will be granted, I believe her appeal will be successful, I believe the Bench will quosh her sentence(s), whither they order a retrial or acquit her, is open to debate.

I do not think the prosecution will come out of this with any credit whatsoever, the jury with even less, if I were Judge Goss, I would steel myself, for criticism from the Bench, imho of course.

This is what blossom is asking about. Why do you think her appeal will be successful?

BIossomtoes · 16/09/2023 08:59

Yes, on what grounds do you think it’s unsafe? And what’s this Bench you keep referring to?

978q · 16/09/2023 09:16

MajesticWhine · 16/09/2023 08:58

You said "If it's bullet proof, leave to appeal will be denied, it won't be."
I would like to know what makes you so sure - ie your opinion.

The "evidence" is nowhere near BARD.

BIossomtoes · 16/09/2023 09:24

What’s BARD?

WhiteFire · 16/09/2023 09:50

Beyond All Reasonable Doubt?

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 10:08

@978q
The "evidence" is nowhere near BARD

Ok, so that's a very easy mantra to have on repeat, but you need to be more specific. The threshold is so extremely high for a guilty verdict; the jury had to be absolutely convinced, having considered (at great length) any other possible scenario, accidental death, natural causes, harm caused by another person or source... and they found LL guilty on 14 counts.

So how exactly is the evidence nowhere near BARD? Just keeping on repeating a statement without explanation doesn't make it true!

978q · 16/09/2023 10:26

BARD is self explanatory, the belligerent will have their own theories, will they be in the interests of justice though.

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 10:33

Thanks for clarifying that you don't have any credible reasons for believing the verdicts are incorrect. Smile

BIossomtoes · 16/09/2023 10:58

WhiteFire · 16/09/2023 09:50

Beyond All Reasonable Doubt?

Thanks. I was wondering what the hell this had to do with Shakespeare! So nothing then @978q? Nada, zero.

978q · 16/09/2023 11:08

The vigilantes, who couldn't spell justice, never mind understand how it works, are stirring, no surprise there.

Flapjacker48 · 16/09/2023 11:12

Her request to appeal will be declined.

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 13:59

@978q no stirring by vigilantes here. Just people asking you for reasons and explanations as to why you believe LL is not guilty. But do carry on posting because every response you give confirms more and more that you can't actually give any reasons!!!

978q · 16/09/2023 14:06

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 13:59

@978q no stirring by vigilantes here. Just people asking you for reasons and explanations as to why you believe LL is not guilty. But do carry on posting because every response you give confirms more and more that you can't actually give any reasons!!!

"why you believe LL is not guilty" you will need to show where I ever said that, but you won't will you.

BIossomtoes · 16/09/2023 14:14

978q · 15/09/2023 19:01

I believe leave will be granted, I believe her appeal will be successful, I believe the Bench will quosh her sentence(s), whither they order a retrial or acquit her, is open to debate.

I do not think the prosecution will come out of this with any credit whatsoever, the jury with even less, if I were Judge Goss, I would steel myself, for criticism from the Bench, imho of course.

This is what’s leading us to believe you think she’s innocent. Why would you think her conviction would be quashed at appeal if you think she’s guilty?

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 14:20

@978q you haven't actually given any credible reasons why you think LL is not guilty, or why the convictions are unsafe, or how the trial was not conducted correctly. Nothing. Zilch.

978q · 16/09/2023 14:24

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 14:20

@978q you haven't actually given any credible reasons why you think LL is not guilty, or why the convictions are unsafe, or how the trial was not conducted correctly. Nothing. Zilch.

avoidance is your bag, you still are unable to back your assertion up, and you never will be able to.

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 14:50

My assertion is that LL has been found guilty on 14 counts. It doesn't need backing up because it's a fact. She's lodged a bid to be able to appeal her convictions (no surprises there; it's often standard procedure)

You are the poster who keeps making an assertion - that LL will not only be granted leave to appeal but that her convictions will be quashed. Yet you haven't provided a single credible reason why you believe the verdicts were wrong, or that she is innocent, or that procedurally the trial wasn't valid. Nothing!

In fact with every single post it simply confirms that you have nothing. So do keep going Grin

978q · 16/09/2023 17:09

n fact with every single post it simply confirms that you have nothing. So do keep going

That's why the appeal will be granted, because there is nothing, I do believe you may be serious🤔

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 17:52

Appeal might be granted. So what? Let's wait and see if the 14 convictions are quashed because..... well, not sure why, because you're being uncharacteristically reticent about actually saying why!

BIossomtoes · 16/09/2023 19:04

978q · 16/09/2023 17:09

n fact with every single post it simply confirms that you have nothing. So do keep going

That's why the appeal will be granted, because there is nothing, I do believe you may be serious🤔

Ten months of evidence. Over 100 hours of jury deliberations. Yup, nothing. 🙄

978q · 16/09/2023 20:06

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 17:52

Appeal might be granted. So what? Let's wait and see if the 14 convictions are quashed because..... well, not sure why, because you're being uncharacteristically reticent about actually saying why!

Try starting where the Appellate Bench will start, is it possible the "verdict" is unsafe, you might catch on,although being zealous in your belief in guilt at the expense of all other outcomes , I really doubt it, entrenchment is never a good stance.

BIossomtoes · 16/09/2023 20:18

What’s the Appellate Bench?

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 20:23

@BIossomtoes, @978q is simply referring to the Appeal court. An appeal will consider whether the verdict is unsafe. No shit!
@978q is master of stating the bleeding obvious. Still no actual reasons for why they think the verdict is unsafe though!
Or 'verdict' as @978q likes to use inverted commas when referencing facts! Grin

978q · 16/09/2023 20:33

lizzy8230 · 16/09/2023 20:23

@BIossomtoes, @978q is simply referring to the Appeal court. An appeal will consider whether the verdict is unsafe. No shit!
@978q is master of stating the bleeding obvious. Still no actual reasons for why they think the verdict is unsafe though!
Or 'verdict' as @978q likes to use inverted commas when referencing facts! Grin

you will never get there, bigoted in the extreme.