Lucy Letby

[Pinkyandtheose]

I went to post on the thread I was on yesterday but it said it's not taking any new replies. I went to look for another thread but I couldn't find one.

Why did she do it, does anyone know?
Apparantly there was an affair with a consultant. Is that true?

Did she do it for attention from him?
Or was he not fully available for her and she did it to try and hurt him and frame him and punish him?

It's horrific what she did and families have lost their babies and other families left with life long conditions to deal with.

She put her colleagues in an awful position too, time and time again where they had to deal with the sudden deterioration of babies and many of them were doing well and then someone probably a doctor or consultant had to explain to parents about the death of their baby while not really fully understanding why themselves until a pattern emerged and their suspicions grew.

Op of course there is interest. Every thread I've read on her has had discussion as to why it's what we all want to know.

All crimes have motive.

There have ren some fabulous links one the other threads about the perfect storm that helped her along her way eg management apathy and incompetence.

This post is hitting home. I know someone who is unhinged. She's not a seriel killer but she's not quite right either. She develops crushes and carries them around for years even on men who are not availabke and she will pick out any small nice or politeness as them being interested in her. Eventually there may be a brief fling and when they can't commit they will be made pay. Anyone who wrongs or if there's a slight will be made pay. She's some piece of work.

It just hit me this morning about LL. Was she trying to make that doctor pay? I know noone knows.

Pinkyandtheose I have been very busy with work in the past few weeks, and have only just been able to catch up on the news. However, every time I have seen LL's face and facial expression (including the blank eyes) it reminds me inexorably of my ex-colleague. For this reason I, too, am interested in the story and, when I get time, will read more about the whole case.

In the case of my ex-colleague, when I reviewed the reference provided by her former employer, a Head Teacher, the wording was very interesting in the light of her subsequent behaviour in our organisation, almost a prescient warning, but very carefully presented.

It's always a shock and a puzzle when these things happen, even more so if you have had to interact with such an individual yourself.

My thoughts are with her former colleagues, especially Dr Ravi Jayaram, who worked so hard and cared so much about the babies in their care, only to experience this campaign.

In terms of the doctor with whom she may or may not have had a relationship, as a lawyer I don't understand how he has managed to be granted legal anonymity. Special dispensation is difficult to obtain.

are you for real Pinky? you could catch up with everyone else who has followed this case with appalled interest? why all this mindless speculation? her documented notes say I did this I’m evil - I killed them as I’m not good enough to care for them - probably not verbatim but you must surely get the gist?
Perhaps you could write to her and ask her, you may just break through if you word your letter with the same feverish demands you have shown here, good luck, let us know how you get on as we are counting on you, Pinky!

I hate the trend of mumsnetters complaining of 'too many threads on a subject'.

People can talk about about what they like and current affairs will always influence this.

The same happened with Philip Schofield, Caroline Flack, Prince Andrew, etc, etc.

There's a reason for 'gossip' and it's one of the reasons why we have progressed as a civilisation.

And do you have to be so nasty? It's a shocking case, people are going to want to talk about it and make sense of it . If it's inappropriate, MN will delete. It's not up to you to say who can and can't start threads for discussion.

This post is hitting home.

I imagine it is.

There is no reason for her to go to a psychiatric hospital. But don't worry I imagine some forensic psychologist out there is chomping at the bit to interview here and analyse the why. But you may have to wait sometime.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/24/lucy-letby-serial-killer-forensic-psychologist-murderer

Here's one psychologists take on her who says she actually fits the bill more than people realise.

@Pinkyandtheose people don't get sectioned and detained in psychiatric hospitals just so motives for behaviour can be "explored". They have to meet the criteria for detention under the Mental Health Act i.e. have a significant mental disorder. None has been mentioned, at present at any rate.

A prison inreach psychologist may at some point in the coming years see her, depending on what happens. But unless she changes her story and admits to the offending, no exploration of motive with her is going to be possible.

She's just another Victorino Chua. He wasn't unwell and he didn't have a motive for killing and poisoning his patients. He was described by police as a narcissistic psychopath. Chua and Letby both confessed they were 'evil' in notes written after their crimes.

I don't really get why people are so fixated on trying to find a reason or motive for what Letby did. Nobody did that with Chua. He was just an evil murderer and that was that.

Regarding 'Doctor A' (the married doctor), Letby had already murdered several babies before he joined the unit. He's only called up to give evidence from Baby L onwards.

How the fuck would any of us know why she did it? It's pure speculation. On the face of it she presented like a very normal, reasonably attractive woman with friends, a social life, her own home and a promising career. Why on earth she would start murdering babies is known only to her. She was 25 when she started (younger if it's found that there were earlier victims) so it would be weird if at this age she was insanely jealous of couples with kids. She was also not that long out of university and in the early years of what could potentially have been a great career. None of it makes sense. But then murder doesn't make sense.

If she's a psychopath then psychos get bored easily which is partly why they do things like this. I think she probably got a buzz out of the 'drama' e.g. doctors rushing around, the possible suspense of whether the baby would make it or not, the reactions of people. I'm not 100% sure but I think I read that the doctor she was interested in only started working at the Countess after she had already begun attacking babies, so I think she was already getting a buzz and then he just added to the 'excitement' for her (horrible to even write that).

I know she seems average or 'vanilla' but I've known a fair few people who seem normal and nice on the surface but are actually very unpleasant. Someone harassed me and my family for a long time and she was very popular and had a lot of friends and was seen as a pillar of the local community. But really she was a really horrible, nasty person. It's surprising how many of these types of people there are, hidden in plain sight.

I think a bit of genius by the prosecution was playing to her ego in how they presented medical evidence and getting her to AGREE babies had been given synthetic insulin for example.

She’s wants to appear as someone knowledgable (and clearly is), but by asking those leading questions she couldn’t help but admit the evidence.

There are some batshit posters who don’t understand the test for this and are doubting it as a piece of credible evidence.

I also don’t agree that if she was non-white this would have been escalated sooner. Read almost any post on here by current NHS colleagues and they will reflect that is the culture - management arse covering as they care about perception and reputation over patient wellbeing.

I don't know. I mean, I heard that she wasn't wired up right, but who knows 🤷

1. I don’t think we will ever know. I’ve listened to or watched a psychologist say that people like LL will rarely if ever give a motive once convicted, it’s likely to be before.
2. Im not sure if she did have an affair with a consultant but she certainly did have a seemingly close friendship with a male doctor. They texted each other regularly, and I’m aware she made a bit of a scene in court when he gave evidence.
3. Im currently listening to the mail podcast, and I’m only on the prosecution argument but I feel like the defence look at perhaps her not tampering with vitamin bags and so on.

This may be of interest, at least from the CPS perspective.

www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/lucy-letby-found-guilty-baby-murders

Would you think the same of a male serial killer? Why can't she just be an evil murderer? Why has there got to be more too it? Because she had a seemingly normal life? Because she's a woman? Because she is an educated white professional?

Looking up.the parents on Facebook and enjoying knowing she'd caused all that pain.

I worked with someone who, while not on the scale of Letby and not in the same field, would stir up so much trouble and cause so many problems and then dive in to "resolve the situation" so that he was praised for it. He had a severe issue.

Considering there's various academic research and discourse on serial killers etc how can we allow academic discussion of various serial killers yet somehow the public is not allowed ?

With your perspectives mind then the majority of news sources it could be argued have done quite a lot of speculation about the case which runs into a lot more hours and words than just a few mumsnet threads.

Do you say the same to all the news papers that speculate on the case?