Lucy Letby

[Pinkyandtheose]

I went to post on the thread I was on yesterday but it said it's not taking any new replies. I went to look for another thread but I couldn't find one.

Why did she do it, does anyone know?
Apparantly there was an affair with a consultant. Is that true?

Did she do it for attention from him?
Or was he not fully available for her and she did it to try and hurt him and frame him and punish him?

It's horrific what she did and families have lost their babies and other families left with life long conditions to deal with.

She put her colleagues in an awful position too, time and time again where they had to deal with the sudden deterioration of babies and many of them were doing well and then someone probably a doctor or consultant had to explain to parents about the death of their baby while not really fully understanding why themselves until a pattern emerged and their suspicions grew.

It is probably fair to say that there were issues with the care at the Countess, both in the midwifery care and neonatal care - bare in mind that Nottingham is currently under scrutiny / investigation, so sadly this is widespread.

The key question is, was it any failings that enabled LL to not only kill and harm babies but to do so for so long before being stopped?

The coroner’s’ findings will form part of the judicial review and he will be questioned. If it is found that he failed, an application under s.13 of the Coroners Act 1988 can be made as in the case of Hillsborough.

It is not a review, it is an inquiry, whose only real difference from a public inquiry is the compelling of witnesses.
A Judicial review has far wider binding powers.

I wrote review when I meant enquiry, so shoot me. The coroners’ findings were challenged and changed with the granting of a s13 order after the Hillsborough enquiry. The same process could be followed as part of the Letby enquiry.

"The same process could be followed as part of the Letby enquiry"

It couldn't it doesn't have the remit, It would require a Judicial review. circa 2005 act, that judicial review, any judicial review is carried out by the bench of the high court.
No I wouldn't shoot you, we just have a different view as to how we get to the same end, doesn't make you or I bad people.

No it wouldn’t. A s13 order could also be used as with Hillsborough. We don’t yet know what the scope of the Letby enquiry will be - even the judge conducting it doesn’t know that yet.

"We don’t yet know what the scope of the Letby enquiry will be"

We do know it has no other powers than to compel witnesses under oath, and to recommend not order, as with all Judge led inquiries. Should have been a Judicial review under the Bench, who dispense real power.

We don’t know. The judge has yet to consult with the families and it will only following that that the scope of the enquiry and its terms of reference will be set.

Do you know what a judicial review is?

Why do you think this matters?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-66823777

Good luck to her. I doubt she’ll get leave to appeal.

I don't blame her for appealing. I would absolutely be appealing too, her defense was shocking in my opinion. No good challenge at all, randoms on the internet seem to have a better defense using the information available.

She didn’t have a defence. No barrister, however talented, can conjure up a defence with no expert witnesses who differ from those used by the prosecution. She didn’t help herself when she took the stand.

I believe leave will be granted, I believe her appeal will be successful, I believe the Bench will quosh her sentence(s), whither they order a retrial or acquit her, is open to debate.

I do not think the prosecution will come out of this with any credit whatsoever, the jury with even less, if I were Judge Goss, I would steel myself, for criticism from the Bench, imho of course.

What Bench? No way will 14 life orders be overturned. Goss sewed it up good and proper, it’s bullet proof.

That's 14 convictions to overturn. I wouldn't be so confident in having them all quashed.

If it's bullet proof, leave to appeal will be denied, it won't be.

We disagree. She couldn’t manage a decent defence, let alone an appeal. Far from getting an appeal she’s probably going to be facing further charges including a possible retrial on the charges for which a verdict couldn’t be reached.

On what grounds will she be given leave to appeal @978q ?

Does anyone know the basis for her appeal? I imagine this must be public.

"In order to have an appeal heard (any appeal), it is necessary to show that there are grounds for arguing that the conviction is unsafe"

I was asking your opinion, not about a point of law. In what way do you think the conviction is unsafe?

Yeah, we know that. What grounds do think there are to show the conviction’s unsafe.

No, you asked on what grounds, the Appellate Court must first be persuaded that the conviction can be argued as unsafe, those are the grounds for any appeal, not difficult to comprehend.

If the Bench is not convinced the verdict can be argued as unsafe, the application to appeal will be denied.