Lucy Letby

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I went to post on the thread I was on yesterday but it said it's not taking any new replies. I went to look for another thread but I couldn't find one.

Why did she do it, does anyone know?
Apparantly there was an affair with a consultant. Is that true?

Did she do it for attention from him?
Or was he not fully available for her and she did it to try and hurt him and frame him and punish him?

It's horrific what she did and families have lost their babies and other families left with life long conditions to deal with.

She put her colleagues in an awful position too, time and time again where they had to deal with the sudden deterioration of babies and many of them were doing well and then someone probably a doctor or consultant had to explain to parents about the death of their baby while not really fully understanding why themselves until a pattern emerged and their suspicions grew.

I'm not reading th whole thing but OP do you think this is in good taste? Of course the public would like a motivation but why on earth do you think your thread will 'go some way' to helping provide one?

Does anyone think it is strange that the Dr who gave evidence in the LL trial was told his evidence was worthless by a senior Judge in a completely unrelated trial?

Dr Dewi Evans was criticized over his involvement in an application for permission to appeal against a care order involving two children.

Refusing permission for the appeal last December, Court of Appeal judge Lord Justice Jackson said Dr Evans’s report was “worthless” and “makes no effort to provide a balanced opinion”.

The judge went on: “He either knows what his professional colleagues have concluded and disregards it or he has not taken steps to inform himself of their views.

“The report has the hallmarks of an exercise in ‘working out an explanation’ that exculpates the applicants.

“It ends with tendentious and partisan expressions of opinion that are outside Dr Evans’s professional competence and have no place in a reputable expert report.”

It was one case in a 30 year career. The judge doesn’t sound entirely unbiased. The defence had every opportunity to call its own expert witnesses if they believed Evans was wrong yet they managed just one - a plumber.

No I don't.

If his evidence was biased the defence could have shown this by producing an expert witness of their own. They didn't, probably because there was nothing biased about it.

Also, has anyone seen the stuff that is being said about the American scientist who wrote a very thorough critique of the way evidence was handled in the LL case? Also about Dr Richard Gill (the well-respected Data Scientist whose support led to the exoneration of the nurse Lucia de Berk, wrongly imprisoned for killing babies).

People are saying Adams didn’t really go to Cambridge university. But wouldn’t the university have publicly rejected the claims if that was true? All the papers reported on her at the weekend. She did Bsc, Masters and PhD (so 8 yrs). The are saying she is an autistic woman who has been declared mentally incompetent for the last ten years. They keep referring to court orders - but never showing them. Does anyone have any evidence for this? They are saying Dr Gill has gone crazy and has been saying he wanted to personally go into the NICU unit and shoot all the babies because they were going to die anyway. This is definitely insane and complete rubbish!

There are now posts all over the internet which appear on the surface to be critiquing the claims in the Science on Trial website by Sarrita Adams, but every time I read the details I see they are not addressing all the differential diagnosis offered by Adams. I have yet to find any sober and sensible detailed response to the details of the claims in the website. After reading every word in every chapter of the website, everyone talking about it seems to not have read the website. Has anyone found well informed detailed response to the arguments I could read, as I really want to believe the LL conviction is sound?

Yes, I guess you’re right about that. One nagging thought though, given what I wrote in my other post about how experts that question the evidence against LL are immediately targeted with abuse, might it have been quite hard to find an expert willing to go though with the trial? It would have transformed their family life - making them a target for mountains of hate.

I hope you’re right though.

Wasn't she obsessed with this registrar? Perhaps harming the babies meant she could see more of him? I am just speculating though, which probably isn't very helpful. I know obsessive love/limerance can drive people to do the most insane things so that was my thinking. (Not saying she is not an absolute monster, she is).

This is the website I was talking about. Has anyone come across a detailed response to the criticisms they could point me in the direction of, or is anyone on here with a medical background able to deal with any of the claims? I really want to be able to put this out of my mind.

https://rexvlucyletby2023.com/

One question I have about Sarrita Adam’s chapter about the enterovirus differential diagnosis (which would seems to provide an alternative explanation for all the symptoms) is: would a fever have been observed in the babies if they had a viral infection such this? Since pre-term babies have such an immature immune system and fever is an immune response, does anyone know whether pre-term babies would usually have a high temperature if they had a viral infection? The absence of fever might explain why an enterovirus is not an alternative explanation for the symptoms.

@BambiCroft

So playing that theory out and imagining it’s even possible it’s an undiagnosed virus, is the theory then that LL is some sort of Typhoid Mary ie. only the babies she handles get sick and it stops when she isn’t around? Some also crashed v quickly which doesn’t fit with a virus. Even if no temperature (?), what about rapid heart rate that is monitored all the time?

It doesn’t sound credible.

It's an interesting point.

Witnesses can get name suppression and breaching that would be a contempt of court. I would think that would have been enough for an expert witness to come forward. Expert witnesses giving evidence for the defence in controversial cases (for example, insanity defences) is not a new thing.

I think people find it hard to believe she did it because of unconscious bias. Who would ever think the pretty blonde white middle class girl would do that? But if she was a man, or unattractive I'm sure people would think differently.

She's not in a psychiatric hospital because she seemingly wasn't diagnosed with a mental illness that required hospitalisation. She wasn't sectionable. She was deemed sane/fit to stand trial.

Even if she was a psychopath for example; that doesn't mean she requires hospitalisation.

The only person who knows the full truth is Lucy Letby.

My heart goes out to the babies and their families.

Other than the obvious crackpot conspiracy theorists, I can see why some people are questioning things. Many are focused on the air embolism and insulin incidents which some dispute but the most compelling cases imho were the cases of deliberately overfeeding, the baby that was bleeding and the baby that had impact injuries. The press are making a fuss of the fb searches and post it notes which again some could explain away. People are reading snippets and conclude the evidence is weak when actually, if they followed the whole case, would see the evidence was actually overwhelming. Even the police themselves have said they looked for every explanation other than deliberate harm but sadly realised that's where the evidence leads. It's all so awful and sad. Those poor babies and and their families.

The "oh so certain of guilt danger", the repercussions will be discussed in good time.

dailysceptic.org/2023/09/01/is-lucy-letby-an-argument-for-or-against-capital-punishment/

Has anyone suggested capital punishment @978q? Apart from you?

Once again you invent something, then run away, perhaps a dictionary wouldn't go amiss, rather than the desire to see your certainty confirmed, even at the expense of justice for all concerned.

What have I invented? Your link is to an article on the pros and cons of capital punishment, is it not? Who ran away?

"Has anyone suggested capital punishment @978q? Apart from you?"

English obviously isn't your first language, you have a great day.

Great source for really thought provoking intelligent articles

Not

Opposing viewpoints, obviously above your pay grade, never mind it's a learning process.

Master of the cliches 😂

covers your jack of all trades, master of none though, any more?

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