Lucy Letby - new thread

anonymousamy · 2023-08-21T21:23:22+00:00

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here. I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

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anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 22:24

She looks so normal in these photos. And I know people will jump on me saying define normal, blah blah blah, but she just looks totally and completely innocuous.

EXCLUSIVE - Carefree teenager Lucy Letby who became baby serial killer

https://mol.im/a/12429899

EXCLUSIVE - Carefree teenager Lucy Letby who became baby serial killer

These are the never-before-seen photos of killer nurse Lucy Letby laughing and enjoying life as a carefree teenager with childhood pals.

https://mol.im/a/12429899

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AutumnIsMyFriend · 21/08/2023 22:25

For me the sheer volume of evidence makes a guilty verdict the right one.

As for why, we will almost certainly never know - a psychopath whose needs were being met through the drama and tragedy, probably.

Coleslawandcabbage · 21/08/2023 22:26

Really don't want to see any more pictures of her though 😕

Nodeepdiving · 21/08/2023 22:26

Didn't follow the previous thread (or the court case) very closely. I just struggle to believe it, because it is so horrific, but also because nurses have previously been falsely convicted. Could someone explain briefly what the main incriminating evidence against her is? Did statistical calculations play any part in her conviction?

Theborder · 21/08/2023 22:26

Yeah it’s a total mind fuck. Imagine having your own house at her age, a good career and everything to live for and just deciding to kill babies….. for the sheer hell of it. She must have 💯 percent thought she wouldn’t get caught. Just astounding the whole thing. What a pathetic individual. She is nothing.

xsquared · 21/08/2023 22:29

Last thread got taken down because there were too many deleted posts apparently.

Not sure what else us there to discuss. Some mners are still trying to make out that there's not sufficient evidence, blah blah blah.

Thoughts are with the families of the victims whose lives were cruelly cut short by this abhorrent individual.

Itsnamechange · 21/08/2023 22:29

Serial killers rarely have motives rational thinking people can understand.

Having read as much of the evidence as possible over the last 10 months my personal theory is that Letby is a product killer. The drama and grief the deaths caused being what she got off on rather than the act itself, which is why she wasn't fixed in her MO.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/08/2023 22:31

@anonymousamy I think what is difficult to comprehend is that she looks like how I imagine many young mumsnetters would look- I suspect many of us in our heart of hearts think complete psychopaths are going to look a bit different - I always remember though that the arse they suspected of Suzy lamplugh just looked like a typical reasonably good looking young professional .

Friggingfrog · 21/08/2023 22:31

I think she was an incredibly manipulative, self absorbed and arrogant woman who felt like she was approve reproach. She likes attention as is evident from texts she sent and liked to be seen as poor Lucy, the hero. She loved and thrived off the drama and particularly liked the attention from one of the doctors who she was allegedly having an affair with. She loved being in the centre of the drama so much and thrived off the grief of the parents- the babies were just a prop for her to get what she wanted. She has no empathy at all. Whether she was exceptionally spoilt as a child and that made her think she was something special, or was just a psycho with no motive whatsoever other than wanting attention, I don’t know. She deserves to die in prison and I hope she’s kept in isolation there day after day, year after year. I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets herself moved to a secure hospital though with her manipulativeness.

Friggingfrog · 21/08/2023 22:32

Itsnamechange · 21/08/2023 22:29

Serial killers rarely have motives rational thinking people can understand.

Having read as much of the evidence as possible over the last 10 months my personal theory is that Letby is a product killer. The drama and grief the deaths caused being what she got off on rather than the act itself, which is why she wasn't fixed in her MO.

I agree with this

LinMortisanass · 21/08/2023 22:32

I don't suppose we'll ever understand why she did it. In my opinion she's 'not wired up right', for want of a better expression. She can't be. Any normal person would feel horrific guilt after the first baby she killed, she clearly didn't or she couldn't have done it so many times. She must be a psychopath I suppose. Then the question must be, "are you born a psychopath, or are you made into one?" I think some people are just born that way personally, I think they have something wrong with their brain.

EmmaPaella · 21/08/2023 22:33

Friggingfrog · 21/08/2023 22:31

I think she was an incredibly manipulative, self absorbed and arrogant woman who felt like she was approve reproach. She likes attention as is evident from texts she sent and liked to be seen as poor Lucy, the hero. She loved and thrived off the drama and particularly liked the attention from one of the doctors who she was allegedly having an affair with. She loved being in the centre of the drama so much and thrived off the grief of the parents- the babies were just a prop for her to get what she wanted. She has no empathy at all. Whether she was exceptionally spoilt as a child and that made her think she was something special, or was just a psycho with no motive whatsoever other than wanting attention, I don’t know. She deserves to die in prison and I hope she’s kept in isolation there day after day, year after year. I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets herself moved to a secure hospital though with her manipulativeness.

I think you are right.

bellac11 · 21/08/2023 22:34

I was only half way through the last thread and it got closed

I was going to say (and have said it on another thread), I dont know why people keep going on about secure hospitals. She isnt unwell, she doesnt have any sectionable needs

Even if she has depression or psychopathy or PTSD, shes not showing at the moment any unwell behaviour that would require sectioning.

She also cant be 'treated' as such for whatever caused her to do the murders because she wont admit to them. At the moment. Perhaps that will come

Im not convinced that she'll kill herself, women dont tend to, it tends to be the men that do this. Im not convinced that she'll be attacked significantly, these sorts of prisons are full of women who have killed/committed serious attacks. Some of them will also be child killers.

LovelyGirlsCompetition · 21/08/2023 22:35

This will probably get deleted but hey ho. I am fervently hoping that at some point, she will be moved off the vulnerable wing into the main prison. Even if it’s five, ten or twenty years from now. I’m hoping that at least one of her fellow long-term inmates has a long memory. That creature has a price on her head and is basically a walking target - without hesitation I hope that when the inevitable occurs, she suffers until her very last breath.

yippyde · 21/08/2023 22:35

I didn't read all the previous threads. I believe she is guilty. However the whole thing does confuse me.

I watched the documentary and it seemed like, when it became apparent that she was always on duty for the deaths, the only explanation was that she was a murderer which (obviously) people found difficult to believe at first.

But wouldn't you first assume she's extremely incompetent? Wouldnt her being simply terrible at her job make more sense than her being a murderer? It just feels strange that it's either "these deaths are awful tragedies that coincidentally happened when Letby was on shift" or "she is a murderer" with no in between.

Watching the documentary I was waiting for the bit where people started pushing for her to be let go for simply being so bad at her job. This just didn't happen. It makes me wonder if maybe she wasn't as good at pretending to be nice and normal as she thought.

I know that if a nice, normal seeming colleague of mine was suspiciously always present for something awful like this happening, my first assumption would be that she's being negligent rather than she's evil.

DivingForLove · 21/08/2023 22:35

@Nodeepdiving its worth reading up on it - the evidence is overwhelming. I have very little doubt that she was guilty.

Absolutely tragic.

QuiltedHippo · 21/08/2023 22:35

Threads have gone so fast I might have missed this, but for years she was being arrested and not charged, I think the charges came after the third arrest.

Does anyone know why it took this long? Was it likely just the mammoth undertaking that an investigation of this size required?

Clearly it was done well enough given the verdict I'm just curious why she was released at least twice before charges were brought?

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anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 22:37

I think statements like this, from the judge, only serve to give these psychopaths the power they crave:

However, the judge said it was not for him to “reach conclusions about the underlying reasons” for Letby’s actions. “Nor could I,” he added. “For they are known only to you.”

Or am I reading too much into it?

(Via the Guardiam)

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Hawkins009 · 21/08/2023 22:37

Reading, and omg,

DivingForLove · 21/08/2023 22:37

@yippyde it wasn’t just that she was on duty - I got the impression that she behaved very strangely around the babies when in distress. She also stalked the parents online afterwards which is harrowing to think about 😢

IfICantHaveYou · 21/08/2023 22:38

It's being reported on every tv channel.... she will have seen herself on her tv in her cell

And if she watched long enough she would have seen her parents arriving/leaving court.... bet that hurt

bellac11 · 21/08/2023 22:38

yippyde · 21/08/2023 22:35

I didn't read all the previous threads. I believe she is guilty. However the whole thing does confuse me.

I watched the documentary and it seemed like, when it became apparent that she was always on duty for the deaths, the only explanation was that she was a murderer which (obviously) people found difficult to believe at first.

But wouldn't you first assume she's extremely incompetent? Wouldnt her being simply terrible at her job make more sense than her being a murderer? It just feels strange that it's either "these deaths are awful tragedies that coincidentally happened when Letby was on shift" or "she is a murderer" with no in between.

Watching the documentary I was waiting for the bit where people started pushing for her to be let go for simply being so bad at her job. This just didn't happen. It makes me wonder if maybe she wasn't as good at pretending to be nice and normal as she thought.

I know that if a nice, normal seeming colleague of mine was suspiciously always present for something awful like this happening, my first assumption would be that she's being negligent rather than she's evil.

Yes I think I asked this on another thread somewhere.

I still dont understand what the managmenet thought was causing the excess deaths, did they not worry that a nurse/some nurses were doing a bad job?

CurlewKate · 21/08/2023 22:39

Also worth thinking about the role racism played in this whole awful business.

126daystillchristmas · 21/08/2023 22:40

There’s every chance that she didn’t even have a motive, not the sort that we could understand anyway.
Some individuals unfortunately cannot fight the urge to hurt others - it can almost just possess them, she potentially may genuinely blank out some of it. I think it’s human nature to try to understand the unthinkable but as the vast majority of people aren’t evil they just can’t make any sense of it. I doubt she will ever give any reasons for it

TheRockAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/08/2023 22:40

Saying "She looks so normal" is weird though. How is she supposed to look - with "MURDERER" tattooed on her face or the stereotypical creepy look shown in movies? Criminals and murderers look normal and are friends, family, co-workers, neighbours, etc. They're otherwise 'normal' as far as we can tell... until they're not.