Lucy Letby - new thread

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No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here.

I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

Yes I wasnt clear, I know she took those notes, I just was musing that lots of client papers/professional notes dont often get stored for years and these would have been needed for the police investigation so I was amazed they had all the records in the hospital still for the police to do that. I wasnt talking about the handover notes for that bit

Im still unclear if the facebook searches were only found when she was arrested, I was wondering if it was known around the time of the deaths that she was looking the families up, did her colleagues know and did she talk about it in that way.

Im amazed that the police were able to get enough documents in the hospital showing shifts and other medical notes as normally as you say they are disposed of

Sorry misread this bit. Handover notes are disposed of. Rotas and medical notes are not. Medical notes are kind of important.

Oh, absolutely.

I don't understand how she ever thought she could get away with it and how she did for so long ? Surely in unexpected deaths there would be post mortems and if a baby had been injected with air or insulin or had an instrument rammed down their throat causing bleeding then that would have been found. It seemed to be months after the deaths that the Dr noticed the discrepancies in the blood results that led them to understand the babies had been injected with insulin. Why wasn't this discovered sooner. I find it all very odd.

I actually found this a really weird reaction from the mother. I would like to think I would be mortified that my child did such a terrible crime and expect them to pay for it. But I've never been in her position so I don't really know how I would act

No she didn't. That was discovered via the police ìnvestigation.

I get you OP, you can't always tell a bad person from their appearance. But she is so smiley, that's what is unusual.
Fred west was a cheery one though

@natalieus the only explanation is that she is a psychopath. She had no empathy with the babies themselves or the parents - she will have been alongside parents in the throes of utter despair and absolute joy working in a neonatal unit. Yet she could wreak that devastation on parents.
I imagine she will be shocked to be spoken of as in the same league as Rose West and Myra Hindley. I expect she thinks that as her crimes were less physically violent and were not sexually motivated she's a better class of child killer. It does not take much violence to kill a tiny, utterly defenceless baby that is the most precious person in the world to someone. I don't wish harm on her - it must be awful to go through life so emotionally severed. But even though psychopaths cannot feel what is right and wrong in their hearts, she absolutely knew in her head that what she did is an abomination.

I don’t understand why people are making such a big deal of the mother’s reaction in that moment. She presumably just heard her child being arrested for that particular crime and cried out that she did it in the heat or the moment - anything to stop the police taking her precious daughter away. It sounds like the reaction of a distraught mum who wants to protect her child at all costs to me. The parents must be going through hell now, knowing their daughter will (quite rightly) never see the outside world again.

I feel the same as you OP. I have read a lot about the trial and listened to the podcasts and from the evidence it just seems she must be guilty. I can’t see how it could be any other way. And yet it’s like my brain refuses to believe it sometimes.

I just don’t understand why she would want to hurt the babies, what she was gaining from it, how it made her feel better. What on earth made her do it. Why she would ruin her own life in this way.

Of course nobody has suffered as much as the parents of the victims but I also feel desperately sad for her own parents, the photo of her as a little girl makes me feel quite heartbroken for them actually. They were so proud of her and had no idea what she’d grow up to be 😔

I wondwrbhow in the world she discovered that for the first time though.

@Brunts12 there were literally white doctors who also reported their concerns! Give the race baiting a rest it's embarrassing and quite frankly a weird thing to do with this topic. It's getting boring all this bringing race in to things where it doesn't matter

@Brunts12 the other 6 paediatricians were also not listened to. I don't think they were all Asian or black.

WHY did she keep the paperwork and notes, I find that really confusing she would write and keep her diary notes.

Were all the other consultants not white then?

She wasnt stopped because people were persuaded/bullied by her, she threatened to report people to the GMC and apparently was friends with one of the managers. She seems to have had some influence. She said she was being bullied. If she was black, she would have said she was being racially bullied on top and people wouldnt have taken it any further either.

You do know that Ravi was only one of 7 consultants blowing the whistle? Stephen Breary carried out the thematic review that first identified the correlation and fought tooth and nail to have her removed. He's extremely white.

Thanks. I think it’s also her apparent persona, which seems pretty mousey and quiet, that I can’t get my head around.

I think a previous poster hit it on the head regarding why people think she doesn't "look like a murderer" - it's in large part down to the social media type photos we are seeing.

With a lot of killers, the photos shown of them are mugshots where they are not smiley, not looking their best, not the kind of picture we see every day. Even when we do see more candid photos from their lives, a lot of them were from much longer ago so the photos are dated-looking or back from when photos weren't taken as commonly so the photos we did take were of more special occasions.

With LL, we are seeing social media photos that look just like the posts you'd have seen scrolling past on Facebook over the past ten years. She looks like someone you might have gone to uni with or someone you knew once from school. She looks like Denise from works daughter who wants sponsoring to do a 10k run. She looks like she is off on her gap year to plant trees for tigers. She looks like the person at work who laughs and jokes around with colleagues. She's attractive, smiley and surrounded by friends in these photos.

I think people will always be more shocked about female killers than male but I don't think it's just that. It's that when we see these pictures, they'd fit right into our own social media feed.

I think if all we saw was her custody photo then we would hear people saying this a lot less frequently.

I completely agree with this. I think her mother was desperate and distraught and just wanted to return to her old life where everything was still ok and she had a daughter she could feel proud of. I doubt she was thinking logically in the heat of the moment.

We can hypothesise about that all day long and add pretty privilege to it. Letby might have been under more scrutiny if she was ugly.

But it’s a bit tasteless isn’t it? Especially given Dr Jayaram was not a lone voice speaking up, he and six others were ignored. Some of whom were white.

But Letby seemed so meek, mild and well liked. That’s what I cannot get my head around.

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She looks just so like ... butter wouldn't melt in her mouth...... (Well she did before she was arrested!) It's just so weird. You would never know that she was a vicious maniacal murderer of babies. The more I look at her, and the more I think about this, the more I cannot get my head around it.

Well, that's it isn't it? Those are the types to watch out for the most. The sort that get away with murder...until they're caught. Those "angelic, can't hurt a fly, always friendly to everyone in a soft tone of voice but in private, are the worst of the worst" sort of women.

People should be wrapping their heads around this fact easier because our world is terrible. Humans are terrible.

What is Lucy's qualifications, skill set, etc ?

I think we keep saying she appeared so normal because we would expect her to be a loner without friends. We want to hear that there were signs, that teachers will come foward and say they remember her stamping on insects or behaving cruelly. There is none of that( it appears so far.) So it makes it even harder for us to try to make sense of the already unthinkable.

WARNING - detailed and upsetting.

This is the court reporting of the trial. Reported everyday. This is one day.

There are links to every day or you can search in the same format, changing the date.

This gives the information as questioned and answered.

https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23122195.recap-lucy-letby-trial-monday-november-14/