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anonymousamy · 2023-08-21T21:23:22+00:00

No idea why the last one was taken down, but for anyone who wants to continue the discussion on Letby, I’m starting a new thread here. I’m 100% sure she’s guilty, but I’m still massively struggling to comprehend why on earth she did it.

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anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:08

Put it this way - I had no problem whatsoever comprehending that the murderers of Baby P, Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo-Hughes did what they did. From what I’ve read and seen of their behaviour, had I encountered any of them in real life my impression would have been they were utterly vile individuals who I’d want nothing to do with. But Letby seemed so meek, mild and well liked. That’s what I cannot get my head around.

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WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyStuff · 21/08/2023 23:09

IfICantHaveYou · 21/08/2023 23:05

@GiddyUpH she mentioned that her hair is different now and she is very very gaunt

That's prison life though....not much sunlight,poor food, limited exercise,worry and fear. Stress. Doesn't take long to become that way

True.

WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyStuff · 21/08/2023 23:09

anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:08

Put it this way - I had no problem whatsoever comprehending that the murderers of Baby P, Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo-Hughes did what they did. From what I’ve read and seen of their behaviour, had I encountered any of them in real life my impression would have been they were utterly vile individuals who I’d want nothing to do with. But Letby seemed so meek, mild and well liked. That’s what I cannot get my head around.

Nailed it. I think pretty much this too. ^

WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyStuff · 21/08/2023 23:09

@Itsnamechange · Today 22:43

No statistical evidence?

There were 22 incidents of babies collapsing on the ward with no real explanation. Many were stable babies reaching important milestones, some were nearly due to come home. 7 died. Some who survived had life changing injuries.

Letby was the only person on duty for every single one. By a significant margin. She was on duty for every other death on the ward too. 13 in 12 months. The previous year there was 3.

A review of all of the medical evidence showed several of the babies had unexplained air embolism. A couple had serious internal injuries, some showed signs of overfeeding, two had synthetic insulin in their bloodstream. On the stand Letby admitted the insulin couldn't have happened accidentally and someone must have poisoned the babies. She hung the tpn bags.

When she was moved from nights to days, the collapses which had only occurred between midnight and 4am, suddenly started only happening during the day. When she was completely removed they stopped. Since then there's been one death on the ward in 7 years. Being caught standing over a desaturating baby doing nothing.

Lots of inappropriate behaviour, taking home and keeping hundreds of handover sheets, searching for parents on Facebook including on Christmas day, unsettling comments to bereaved parents, writing a deranged note saying "I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them, I am evil I did this".

I agree with a pp. This needs pinning at the top of every Lucy Letby thread. The naysayers and doubters are nauseating.

Nat6999 · 21/08/2023 23:10

bellac11 · 21/08/2023 22:34

I was only half way through the last thread and it got closed

I was going to say (and have said it on another thread), I dont know why people keep going on about secure hospitals. She isnt unwell, she doesnt have any sectionable needs

Even if she has depression or psychopathy or PTSD, shes not showing at the moment any unwell behaviour that would require sectioning.

She also cant be 'treated' as such for whatever caused her to do the murders because she wont admit to them. At the moment. Perhaps that will come

Im not convinced that she'll kill herself, women dont tend to, it tends to be the men that do this. Im not convinced that she'll be attacked significantly, these sorts of prisons are full of women who have killed/committed serious attacks. Some of them will also be child killers.

I follow an ex prisoner who does videos about prison & prison life, he said that the likelihood is that she will be sent to Low Newton Prison, which is next to Frankland men's prison. It is the only maximum security prison for women, Rose West is there. Unlike men's prisons, there aren't vulnerable prisoner's wings, there is only the segregation block where they are locked up 23 hours a day. She will have a target on her back from the moment she walks in. There is a wing for women with personality disorders there as well.

natalieus · 21/08/2023 23:10

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Orangebadger · 21/08/2023 23:10

Now the whole hero worship complex. This is what I thought. Then as I was reading more and also recalling the podcast there was one very prem baby who she targeted. She targeted this baby on milestones, so when they were 100 days old and then again on it's due date. Now hero complex I would think would be more random. The actual days would be irrelevant. This is very pre meditated and just frankly chilling. Made me think there's more to this than attention seeking hero worship.

WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyStuff · 21/08/2023 23:10

The message on the last thread @anonymousamy (You said you didn't know why it was taken down...)

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We're taking this thread down now, as it has descended into lots of posts that break our talk guidelines.

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Let's try and keep this one within the guidelines and terms and conditions eh peeps? I have already seen a few posts that are breaking the rooolz!

40andlovelife · 21/08/2023 23:10

anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:08

Put it this way - I had no problem whatsoever comprehending that the murderers of Baby P, Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo-Hughes did what they did. From what I’ve read and seen of their behaviour, had I encountered any of them in real life my impression would have been they were utterly vile individuals who I’d want nothing to do with. But Letby seemed so meek, mild and well liked. That’s what I cannot get my head around.

I think it's because we expect nurses especially those who have chosen to work with such vulnerable babies, to be kind. It's so shocking when they aren't

GreenClock · 21/08/2023 23:11

The “she looks so normal” thing … I’ve been trying to get my head around it … it’s the pics on social media of her on nights out with friends, hen parties, brunches etc, looking cheerful and attractive. Like many young women do.

We obviously never saw that sort of thing with Rose West and Beverly Allitt because their arrests predated social media. Also, they were plain women which I think is relevant - the “pretty premium” comes into play, it’s known that people are tougher on less physically attractive folk. Also LL’s relative privilege - loving parents, her own home, intelligence, stable career, physical good health - which leaves people wondering why she put her liberty at risk when she had so much going for her.

A complex case and the police, prosecution, and jury members were awesome.

WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyStuff · 21/08/2023 23:11

Sorry don't mean to sound bossy! Just would be a shame if this got taken down too.

tolerable · 21/08/2023 23:11

Utterly heartbreaking,horrifying and unforgiveable.I doubt there is any real comprehending any sort of why- ever.
Its stuck in my head that when arrested at her parents home her mother shouted "i did it,take me"... protesting her innocence apparently wasnt the instinct.

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anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:12

40andlovelife · 21/08/2023 23:10

I think it's because we expect nurses especially those who have chosen to work with such vulnerable babies, to be kind. It's so shocking when they aren't

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Agree that’s a massive factor.

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drpet49 · 21/08/2023 23:12

Friggingfrog · 21/08/2023 22:31

I think she was an incredibly manipulative, self absorbed and arrogant woman who felt like she was approve reproach. She likes attention as is evident from texts she sent and liked to be seen as poor Lucy, the hero. She loved and thrived off the drama and particularly liked the attention from one of the doctors who she was allegedly having an affair with. She loved being in the centre of the drama so much and thrived off the grief of the parents- the babies were just a prop for her to get what she wanted. She has no empathy at all. Whether she was exceptionally spoilt as a child and that made her think she was something special, or was just a psycho with no motive whatsoever other than wanting attention, I don’t know. She deserves to die in prison and I hope she’s kept in isolation there day after day, year after year. I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets herself moved to a secure hospital though with her manipulativeness.

All of this.

Itsnamechange · 21/08/2023 23:13

bellac11 · 21/08/2023 23:05

Im amazed that the police were able to get enough documents in the hospital showing shifts and other medical notes as normally as you say they are disposed of

How did people know she had searched though, did this come out later or did she talk about looking up the families?

Not sure what you mean by it being against company policy, do you mean nurses are told they shouldnt look people up on facebook?

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I mean she did take them. She admitted to taking them. When you search for someone on Facebook it leaves a footprint. Police were able to track her activity.

Nurses have codes of conduct around patient privacy and this extends to the family members of patients. Nurses shouldn't be Facebook stalking the parents of patients they've treated.

Nodeepdiving · 21/08/2023 23:13

Itsnamechange · 21/08/2023 23:08

Please don't wheel out Richard Gill. The man is a lunatic who has been loud confident and wrong about this case for months. He thinks Beverly Allit is innocent. I don't know if he's going through something but he's destroyed his credibility in spectacular fashion, to the point he was actually harassing Letby's defence KC.

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I don't even know who Richard Gill is. I'm not wheeling anyone out. My reference to Lucia de Berk was to illustrate who I had in mind when I said nursing staff had been wrongly convicted in an earlier post, which is an additional reason why LL's crimes seem unbelievable. It was not at all to suggest she's innocent - a PP was implying that I'd asked if the conviction was "just statistical", when I had merely asked if any statistical evidence had been included (because there have been some major miscarriages of justice based on statistics).

Nat6999 · 21/08/2023 23:13

I can't believe that she was able to walk free for nearly two years before she was arrested for the last time in 2020, surely she was a danger then as she is now?

Anothernamethesamegame · 21/08/2023 23:14

anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:08

Put it this way - I had no problem whatsoever comprehending that the murderers of Baby P, Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo-Hughes did what they did. From what I’ve read and seen of their behaviour, had I encountered any of them in real life my impression would have been they were utterly vile individuals who I’d want nothing to do with. But Letby seemed so meek, mild and well liked. That’s what I cannot get my head around.

I just don’t think they are comparable. Parent/step parents abusing and killing their children is quite different than this type of random killing. I’d say it’s more along to grooming type crimes where people are clever and manipulative of the people around them and often have the cover of very respectable nice people.

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anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:14

I saw a photo of Rosemary West earlier - she looked normal to me too. But I suppose she’s from a different era. Like someone else said, it’s seeing Letby in the sorts of photos your friends might post on Facebook that’s hard to get your head around.

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40andlovelife · 21/08/2023 23:15

This case has brought some really deep questions to the surface. Are these people a product of their environment/ mental illness or are they born this way meaning that evil really does walk among us.

natalieus · 21/08/2023 23:15

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Traceyislivid · 21/08/2023 23:15

I find the dynamics between her and her parents strange and wonder if any of her behaviours could stem from this?

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anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:15

Anothernamethesamegame · 21/08/2023 23:14

I just don’t think they are comparable. Parent/step parents abusing and killing their children is quite different than this type of random killing. I’d say it’s more along to grooming type crimes where people are clever and manipulative of the people around them and often have the cover of very respectable nice people.

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They’re all absolutely despicable (and that’s nowhere near a strong enough word!)

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bellamountain · 21/08/2023 23:16

Because she seems so 'normal' from her photos, it makes her a whole lot more worse in reality. Put evil, no excuses. All tools are weapons in the hands of the wrong people. You can guarantee there are other psychopaths like her walking the streets but thankfully they don't have the means.

Those poor babies, their lives stolen.

Anothernamethesamegame · 21/08/2023 23:17

anonymousamy · 21/08/2023 23:15

They’re all absolutely despicable (and that’s nowhere near a strong enough word!)

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Obviously. I just mean the triggers/ behaviours/underlying causes are very different.