Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

This. What bits I've managed to read (DS was in a different Nicu at the same time, so I find it weirdly too close) I just keep thinking she MUST be innocent because who'd DO that? Ours Morse's kept DS alive, they spent entire 12 hour shifts keeping him from dying. Surely one of them wouldn't ever entertain the notion...

But I hope today's verdict brings peace to those who need it and justice to those that deserve it.

Don't be so bloody stupid. Of course they don't convict someone of 7 murders and 6 attempted murders without bloody evidence. The trial lasted for more than 10 months, and is believed to be the longest murder trial in the UK. Jurors have been excused from further jury service for their lifetime.

So yes, of course they will have heard evidence, and will have deliberated over that evidence.

I've been following a podcast covering this case and I was fully expecting a guilty verdict. Coincidental evidence is never ideal but she tried to cover her tracks well but the circumstances that she was always there on shift, and documented as working alone with the babies when the attacks happened was just much to ignore. Then there was the bizarre confession note. Suspicion was also rife with her colleagues. The big question is how she was able to get away with it for so long before being stopped. She will have a very tough time in prison. They don't like child killers inside and she will spend the rest of her life inside too.

@HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas If you are an MW, you'll know that there's no way the stats on NND can go from 3 to 17 in a year innocently. That simply isn't possible. The babies that were left out are likely the 3-4 naturally occurring deaths on the unit. It doesn't matter how the prosecution uses those numbers as "part of a narrative", the source figures are pretty clear.

Not to mention the low likelihood of multiples dying the way they did under her care.

BBC graphic

Surely the hospital managers are guilty of manslaughter by their lack of action?

I did attend court one day (you sit in a separate room with a stream of it) and I was quite surprised how much evidence is left out of the reporting, of course you also can't discuss with anyone what you heard so over the course of such a long trial there must be a fair % the public isn't privy to.

As other HCPs were named in the trial perhaps the doctor was granted anonymity for the sake of his children? He was named in court but of course its a criminal offense for anyone to share anything about him outside of court.

Saw a colleague of hers on Sky News saying when alarms went off everyone’s first reaction was always “is Lucy working”

Those senior managers who dismissed concerns should face criminal charges too

The hospital must be forced to take responsibility for their part in what has happened. Apart from the case against Letby, it's fairly obvious that the maternity dept as a whole was problematic. And it's now even more obvious that those problems started higher up with the management.

I wonder how those managers responsible for trying to ignore what was happening are feeling today. They need to be prosecuted for negligence.

One hundred percent agree

That’s what I was thinking. Will they be able to be prosecuted?

I'm a nurse and I'd like to say I can't believe hospital management failed to investigate but I can believe it, they should be prosecuted.

I do understand why there are so many vitriolic posts but I can't feel it myself, I just want to understand what has happened. How does a young woman of an apparently decent upbringing and who clearly wanted to make a meaningful contribution to society end up becoming a serial killer? I haven't read the latest coverage but has Munchausen's By Proxy been discussed? Surely she is gravely unwell like Beverly Allitt? who says she wanted to make a meaningful contribution to society? Did we question how Harold Shipman ended up the way he did after clearly wanting to make a meaningful contribution to society? No didn’t think so.

For all we know she went into nursing because it would give her an opportunity to live out a fantacy of killing people. Obviously we don’t know that, but it’s far more credible than “the poor woman was clearly ill.”

I’m maybe not explaining it very well but what I’ve read is that there’s an argument that what you say isn’t how the cases were selected. That any cases which could possibly have been a murder were disregarded if Letby wasn’t on duty. Remember nobody at the time thought any case was murder.

And not all the cases they did select have turned out to be murder/attempted murder.

which could potentially cast some doubt on the main argument that it could only be her.

i’m not saying I think she’s innocent (I don’t), but I would not have been surprised if the verdicts had been not guilty because it seems such a hard case to prove. There’s no definitive dna, etc. so yes, it comes down to “beyond reasonable doubt” and the jury who have heard everything and deliberated hard have made a decision which they believe to be true (and very probably is) but it must be so hard to make that decision in the absence of better evidence.

Isn`t that precisely the problem about these kinds of statements?

Somehow humans expect evil peopke [those capable of evil] to look ugly, disturbed, abnormal etc. But the vast majority simply don`t.

It lets "pretty" people get away with murder.
And it means that "ugly" people [and or people with features outside the norm etc.] get discriminated against, treated with suspicion, excluded etc...

It's just unbelievable what some women will do for a man. Those poor babies and families.

I don't think LL being in the dock would have had any impact on her really though - this is not a normal woman, she has no empathy and no remorse and lives in a fantasy world that allows her to play god with babies lives so she can play out a fantasy with a man. To me playing god, living in a fantasy world, having no empathy and no remorse and feeling like a victim/not believing you are to blame is ticking a lot of boxes for a very extreme case of narcissistic personality disorder.

@Notbeinfunnehbut Look at this as one piece of evidence. All the babies harmed and killed against the shifts each nurse (denoted by an x) was working.

It's also shocking that there are people on here who think she's not guilty based on what they've read on social media (eg Mumsnet) and podcasts despite the jury sitting through many weeks of testimony and debating evidence for hours before reaching the guilty verdicts.

Imagine going through the hell of losing your baby... and then finding out they were murdered by one of the nurses who was supposed to be caring for them... and then finding out your baby was just a pawn in some woman's stupid romantic fantasy. Those poor families.

There were no defence expert witnesses. That almost inevitably means the defence couldn’t find any experts to support Letby’s case/ undermine the prosecution’s. Another nail in the coffin in my mine.

For God’s sake, this was quite obviously not the only evidence they had and a quick Google could tell you that. Bizarre how people come out of the woodwork to cast doubt on a case like this. This woman murdered 7 babies, she left 3 babies brain damaged.

No clue what happened here / why this is formatted in this manner...

With all respect, following it based on third hand opinion hardly gives you better insight than the jury

No, I totally agree. I’m not saying there’s any chance it was all natural causes.

Completely tonysoxxx

During the trial the jury were shown a striking chart highlighting the 38 nurses who worked on the unit, correlated with 25 'events' - significant collapses or deaths of babies.
It showed a long column of 'x's' below Letby's name, indicating she was the only one on duty for all 25 incidents. By comparison, no other nurse was present on more than seven occasions.

Statistics also revealed that the number of deaths on the unit fell back to 'normal' or average levels once Letby was shifted into an admin role, in July 2016.