Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

*wasn't

@HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas

I too feared she may be found not guilty. Things happen when your a nurse/midwife/doctor but at the sheer number she was involved in and the fact that they were not ‘normal’ deaths is just undeniable intentionally in my view. She targeted stable twins/triplets, one after the other. There were incredible amounts of milk found in one of the babies that was only supposed to be having close to a ml of milk at a time. I really dont think any of the deaths can be deemed at accidental when you look at the bigger picture.

I read that there were other potential deaths/ attempted deaths she could have been involved in but there was a lack of concrete evidence. I don’t think they have blamed every death she was in the presence of on her, just the ones that were similar in characteristic and seemed to be suspicious. The circumstances are too compelling to be deemed a coincidence I feel.

Tough case

I don't know what evidence they had however a jury were privy to all of it, deliberated for hours over it I'm sure they are correct

Now throw away the key

One of the consultants has just spoken on BBC news saying he and others repeatedly reported Letby to senior management and they were told to stop reporting her or face the consequences. Senior management at the hospital should face the consequences and now face criminal charges. It's shocking that so many reported her (not just one disgruntled colleague) and it was ignored.

DysonSpheres

Having followed the case on the threads I'm not confident in this judgement

Your comment alone is very worrying that you base someone's lack guilt on mn threads over court proceedings whereby it has taken years to build a case against letby to prosecute her. The Jury are subjected to detailed evidence inorder to make their decision, this case hasnt been taken lightly and the evidence of multiple deaths and near deaths is very evident letby was the cause.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66120934

They need to prosecute the hospital management now for allowing it to happen.

I knew she was guilty, I absolutely knew she it. She is a very sick and twisted individual. I don’t even know how/why you’d do this?!

DS is 15 months old and has a rare genetic disorder. He was born full term but spent a lot of time in NICU. You have your full trust in the team that work in the unit as they work around the clock to care for your baby. How horrible to think that when a parent was at home getting rest or maybe attending to any other children they have, a nurse in the unit was getting up to such sick things.

She is AWFUL and seems to have absolutely no remorse. I can’t imagine what the poor families are going through

The BBC are saying she refused to appear in the dock for the latest verdicts.

Ye Gods. They should have got her there somehow, even if it meant dragging her there.

Listening to the police statement

I hadn’t heard much on this before now but it is utterly heartbreaking

@Lenald2512 the prosecution believe the motive was to get the attention of a doctor that she was in love with, as he was often on shift and would be called in in the case of an emergency. Even if he wasn’t there she’d use it as an opportunity to message him to seek reassurance following the incidents.

You can’t say this without being in court

I try not to judge by what the papers report as the nuances that are in the evidence presented are often not reported.

I feel so sorry for the bereaved families.

Jesus what on earth is the diagnosis for somebody like this. She also looks so normal I can't get my head around it.
Those poor babies and parents.

I knew it. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and the dead babies.

Horrifying. And equally heartbreaking, the hospital management was warned about Letby for months before they took her off the ITU ward. Babies could have been saved if the mgt had listened to Dr Stephen Brearey's concerns.

She does seem to be an obsessive person- the stalking of families online, the souvenirs, the messages to the doctor. Very much about the attention to her and perhaps reliving the moment through the souvenirs.

Very reminiscent of the cases where wives/mothers/carers poison spouses and children for the sympathy and attention they gain. Highly narcissistic.

Totally unsurprising. The default position for the NHS is to ignore or cover up and complaints.

RIP all the babies. Condolences to all their families.

Oh, those poor bereaved families knowing that their precious babies died at the hands of this psycho. My heart goes out to them.

Knew it all along. As usual such a shame Mumsnet is such a poor reflection as on threads about 70% of people refused to believe a pretty white young woman could do it, or had done it. Mirabai may you feel deep embarrassment for your constant condescending, rude posts so adamant she couldn’t have done it despite the stacks of evidence.
I am so sorry for the parents, families and innocent little babies who had to encounter this monster.

It must also be awful for Dr Breary to have gone though that and not been believed. Absolutely awful

I do understand why there are so many vitriolic posts but I can't feel it myself, I just want to understand what has happened. How does a young woman of an apparently decent upbringing and who clearly wanted to make a meaningful contribution to society end up becoming a serial killer? I haven't read the latest coverage but has Munchausen's By Proxy been discussed? Surely she is gravely unwell like Beverly Allitt?

This in no way detracts from my heartbreak for the precious babies who lost their lives and their families who have to cope with such terrible loss in unthinkable circumstances.

It’s important to remember that a “not guilty” verdict doesn’t mean someone is innocent. It just means that there isn’t enough evidence to convict them beyond reasonable doubt.

Often serial killers are found guilty of a number of murders, but then the tally of the murders believed to have been committed by them is much higher.

Harold Shipman for instance was found guilty of fifteen murders, but there are actually 218 people who he is believed to have murdered.

In terms of “did she have mental health problems,” I think it’s safe to say that nobody who murders and attempts to murder numerous babies or in fact people is mentally normal. So to question whether they have mh issues seems a bit pointless really. Of course they do, they’re sick fuckers.

As for the parents, if my child was found guilty of this kind of crime they would be dead to me.

I'm a barrister. Utterly tragic case. Just a couple of comments:

1. Unfortunately there is highly unlikely to be a re-trial on the remaining counts. It would need to be in the public interest, and it is unlikely to be deemed so due to the likely sentence
2. Highly likely to be a whole life tariff (either secure detention if MH treatment required or prison if not)
3. The families will almost certainly (and should) sue the Trust. Unfortunately, the way Personal Injury claims work in this country is that the award for bereavement is not high - I think about £12k last time I looked. It is insulting. The high payouts you see are for young parents who would have gone on to earn X in their lifetime - their dependents are entitled to their expected lifetime earnings (put through a variety of actuarial calculations).

The news articles I’ve read have stated no motive has been established, however, I believe you when you say you’ve read that.

It still seems like a very unlikely/poor theory.

Anyone who has read the "whistle in the wind" book will understand how this kind of thing happens in the NHS. Whistle blowers are the ones who are hounded out by management more concerned about ticking boxes than the welfare of the patients.

Good god, why wouldn’t he? He wasn’t involved in the murders, but his life would be destroyed by pitchfork waving loons that thought he was. Even if what’s been said about him is true, having an affair isn’t illegal and how was he supposed to know she was a monster.