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Thread 29 Sunak: Borders, Barges and Bacteria

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DuncinToffee · 15/08/2023 20:33

Thanks pointythings

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DuncinToffee · 21/08/2023 19:45

Don't worry, Braverman has an idea

She is planning to take on three new migration detention centres at a cost of £306 million.
It willl house 1000 people

Anyone wants to do the maths?

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jgw1 · 21/08/2023 19:49

DuncinToffee · 21/08/2023 19:45

Don't worry, Braverman has an idea

She is planning to take on three new migration detention centres at a cost of £306 million.
It willl house 1000 people

Anyone wants to do the maths?

I presume grey paint is quite expensive?

Cornettoninja · 21/08/2023 19:51

jgw1 · 21/08/2023 19:49

I presume grey paint is quite expensive?

It’s the summoning of demons that increases the costs. They get through quite a few black candles I believe.

DuncinToffee · 21/08/2023 19:56

What week do we get this week, crime week?

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jgw1 · 21/08/2023 19:59

DuncinToffee · 21/08/2023 19:56

What week do we get this week, crime week?

I think I missed last week, was it stop the NHS week or something else?

DuncinToffee · 21/08/2023 20:03

Yes, something about putting a few more beds in the 40 new hospitals

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mibbelucieachwell · 22/08/2023 10:19

Stop the NHS @jgw1 GrinGrinGrin

Seriously though - that is their intention isn't it? So cowardly of them to be so sneaky. They're stealthily trying to normalise paying for treatment. The more it happens the greater the cultural shift towards this. Whatever the merits or otherwise of changing the way that healthcare is funded it infuriates me that no government will debate the way forward. The NHS is providing services that weren't possible when it was started - it shouldn't be so difficult to properly debate what it can provide now and how.

It's such a pity that this government can't seem to see past short-term money making schemes, which will be how they view healthcare, overlooking the economic benefits of having a healthy population.

RafaistheKingofClay · 22/08/2023 10:29

Isn’t every week stop the NHS week?

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Notonthestairs · 22/08/2023 11:49

Amazing how many of Sunaks close advisors are linked to private healthcare.

Meanwhile Clark-Smith is tweeting his support for the death penalty. I find that astonishing given what is slowly coming out regarding Andrew Malkinson's case. Police and court services are not infallible - indeed I'd suggest the less we invest in them the greater opportunities there are for mistakes/corruptions and terrible injustices.

Ian Hislop outlining similar to Patel umpteen years ago (nothing changes does it!)

x.com/g_gosden/status/1415295023403388933?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

itsgettingweird · 22/08/2023 12:30

apple.news/AJQbMEnOmQbSnkVgQzoGfnA

We've given Rwandans asylum because we've accepted they are feeling an unsafe country.

Own goal for Braverman!

DuncinToffee · 22/08/2023 12:31

I was wondering how long it would take for calls for the death penalty to re-appear.

Sunak also has interests in Moderna who could now be allowed to sell the covid vaccine privately

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BIossomtoes · 22/08/2023 12:36

That clip will never get old. It’s one of the reasons I adore Hislop.

Cornettoninja · 22/08/2023 13:55

Ahhh thanks for that @Notonthestairs. I do enjoy watching politicians getting laughed at in their face.

we should allow the ruling party and the opposition a comedian during parliament debates.

Roussette · 22/08/2023 15:27

Well... what do you know.....

n his LBC interview Keir Starmer challenged Rishi Sunak to force Nadine Dorries out of the House of Commons because she has said she wants to resign anyway and she appears to have given up doing any work in her capacity as an MP.
When asked about this, No 10 has always said that this is a matter for parliament, not the government, and the conventional view is that removing an MP in these circumstances is extremely difficult. A recall election can only be held if an inquiry concludes that an MP has committed a serious breach of the rules, and in the Dorries case Daniel Greenberg, the parliamentary commissioner for standards, has indicated that he does not think an inquiry is justified.
But an article has been published today making the point that the Commons could just bypass the parliamentary standards machinery and vote for a motion saying Dorries should be expelled. Significantly, the article appears not in the Guardian, or in another leftish paper, but on ConservativeHome, the website for Tory members. And it has been written by Henry Hill, the ConHome deputy editor.
Hill says that if MPs were to vote on a motion like this, it would probably pass, and he suggests there might even be some advantages from such a vote for Sunak. “There would be worse ways to restore his credibility as a new broom after the debacle of Boris Johnson’s resignation honours,” Hill writes.
In truth, Sunak is unlikely to see things this way, not least because Dorries is a Daily Mail columnist (one job she is actually doing) and the chances of No 10 declaring war on someone on Paul Dacre’s payroll are close to nil. But Hill argues that a vote of this kind could be good for the Commons. He says:
In the course of decades of reforms, the Commons has never divested itself of the power to expel, nor (that I know of) has it been seriously proposed that it do so. There thus seems to be little dispute that this is a power the House ought to have – and thus, by extension, to use on occasion.

Moreover, inactivity sets its own precedent, and the availability of expulsion makes the failure to do so a choice. How hollow will all the condemnation of Dorries ring, from all sides, should the electorate ever realise that the politicians have to hand a simple means to remedy the problem – but are choosing not to use it?

MrTiddlesTheCat · 22/08/2023 15:40

Why are the tories pushing the narrative that the Commons have the power to bypass the disciplinary process to get rid of her, when they have the power to trigger the disciplinary process to get rid of her?

Notonthestairs · 22/08/2023 17:14

Mone still has the Conservative whip in the Lords despite being investigated by the serious fraud office.

So I don't see anyway that Sunak will take on Dorries & Dacre (God knows Johnson would want to get in on that action too).

Meanwhile Mid Beds is left without a functioning MP. Ridiculous.

RafaistheKingofClay · 22/08/2023 17:16

The MP who isn’t allowed on the parliamentary estate and is on bail for rape still has the whip.

I think he’s also planning to stand at the next election.

Notonthestairs · 22/08/2023 17:23

You can see why defunding the police and having vast court backlogs might be useful.

jgw1 · 22/08/2023 17:25

Notonthestairs · 22/08/2023 17:23

You can see why defunding the police and having vast court backlogs might be useful.

But the only problem with the courts is that convicted criminals don't have to attend sentencing, even when the only possible sentence is a whole life one. Surely you knew that?

Notonthestairs · 22/08/2023 17:30

Ah yes. I overlooked that!

Cornettoninja · 22/08/2023 18:20

The Labour GE campaign leaflet just needs to be a list of MP’s, their actions and a timescale it took to deal with them.

RafaistheKingofClay · 22/08/2023 18:42

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1694026676458467775

Looks like small boats week was a success in the polls.

Voting intention
Lab 50% (+4)
Con 25% (-4)

Should have put money on it when I bet that poster on the barge thread it wouldn’t cause a Tory surge.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1694026676458467775

jgw1 · 22/08/2023 18:42

Cornettoninja · 22/08/2023 18:20

The Labour GE campaign leaflet just needs to be a list of MP’s, their actions and a timescale it took to deal with them.

Is there space?

I'd worry that things like the MP for Riyadh and Moscow asking the Saudi government to pay him to represent them in parliament because ballet lessons are expensive might get missed out.

pointythings · 22/08/2023 19:19

I just got a YouGov survey which was ALL about the government and its current performance. Would be interesting to see the results.

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