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How do British Parents feel about...

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 19:13

...the Brexit vote, given how it has disadvantaged those children without dual nationality?

I'm from NI, so very fortunate that mine still have FOM. I'd be raging if anyone took that away from them.

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LadyWithLapdog · 09/08/2023 22:04

@Comedycook I don’t understand the distinction you’re making. You’re still saying there were too many EE immigrants, otherwise you’d not need to say you want it to be “more balanced”. I don’t actually care what you tell yourself to live with the choice you made. I don’t think all who voted Brexit are racist, but many will be like you, illogical.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 22:04

newnamethanks · 09/08/2023 22:00

I am furious on behalf of my children and grandchildren who have had many opportunities stolen at the insistence of the Brexit lunkheads. And I am furious with all of those who are too ignorant, many wilfully so, to acknowledge what they have done to this country. They should be in prison but it will be the House of Lords for them.

Not as furious as the WC who had to compete with EU migrants for housing, jobs and education and healthcare.
I don't think they really care that your son Barnaby can't live at your chateaux during his gap year in France.

Lessonsinbiology · 09/08/2023 22:04

Yes, I'm raging and so desperately sad. I will always be angry about it and will always be angry at the stupid people who voted for it.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 22:06

Lessonsinbiology · 09/08/2023 22:04

Yes, I'm raging and so desperately sad. I will always be angry about it and will always be angry at the stupid people who voted for it.

Why? Surely you have bigger problems in your life?

LadyWithLapdog · 09/08/2023 22:06

@fullbloom87 look, I won’t continue with you but you do know that talking about EE immigrants “flooding” the country makes you sound like a fucking racist. Bizarre you couldn’t even vote. Are you a bot?

LadyWithLapdog · 09/08/2023 22:07

Don’t feed the troll. Good night.

LlamasUnited · 09/08/2023 22:07

Absolutely furious

Neonyellowfish · 09/08/2023 22:08

Couldn’t give a shit to be honest.

JustAnotherRandom · 09/08/2023 22:08

I feel sad and angry about it OP. I think that even many of those that voted to leave didn't expect FoM to go.

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 22:08

LadyWithLapdog · 09/08/2023 22:04

@Comedycook I don’t understand the distinction you’re making. You’re still saying there were too many EE immigrants, otherwise you’d not need to say you want it to be “more balanced”. I don’t actually care what you tell yourself to live with the choice you made. I don’t think all who voted Brexit are racist, but many will be like you, illogical.

"too many" is an odd choice of words. Too many for what? You said that. I'm making the point that freedom of movement works and doesn't cause too much pressure on services and depreciation of wages if the movement is even both ways.

As for EE people...I've found many to be really great people...but as a mixed race family, I have also experienced racism from some. I bet that ruins your attempt at stereotyping me.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 22:10

LadyWithLapdog · 09/08/2023 22:06

@fullbloom87 look, I won’t continue with you but you do know that talking about EE immigrants “flooding” the country makes you sound like a fucking racist. Bizarre you couldn’t even vote. Are you a bot?

Racist? Europeans are genetically Caucasian. You don't even know what colour I am.

RubyWedding · 09/08/2023 22:13

I'm so unhappy about it. And it feels doubly unfair when so many of my kids' friends (perhaps half the friendship group) are eligible for, or already have, Irish passports or something else - French, German, Greek etc. No hassle for them doing Uni years abroad, working for a summer in the sunshine or a winter in the snow. And NOT ONE of these kids voted for it because nobody born this century was even old enough to vote in 2016. It's nothing short of a crime against the young.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 22:14

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 21:48

Probably didn't occur to them because they're earning big bucks as self employed electricians, builders, beauty therapists etc years before your children will see a single cent from their sociology degrees.

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Sociology degrees? What are you talking about?Confused

My DS has recently done work experience in a technical not academic field, and been offered a job, with training in a lucrative, desirable industry. The sole reason he was given the offer over the other kids there (all keen, clever etc.)was his dual nationality and the FoM he has because of it.

It got me thinking about how Brexit divided the UK. It made poorer kids' lives harder and increased the gap between the Haves and Have Nots.

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MilkMaid1997 · 09/08/2023 22:20

Child of British parents here, hope you don't mind me contributing to the thread. My single parent dad and all of my surviving grandparents voted for Brexit. I voted to remain (I was 18 at the time). We are very much a working class family. I am livid about Brexit. I was lucky enough to do some work/travel in the EU before my FoM was taken away. I had to work and save bloody hard to do it, but other than that it was pretty straightforward, and it was the making of me. I came back more independent and confident in myself.

I have a younger brother who is about to start uni. He won't have the same opportunities as me. Sure, he can go to Canada or Australia etc, but Europe is closer and therefore more convenient. I think that's a huge loss of opportunity for him.

My dad doesn't like to talk about the Brexit vote with me. He says he voted leave to 'get rid of all the red tape.' But there is more red tape now. I imagine he's embarrassed, but he probably won't ever admit that he didn't actually get what he was looking for out of Brexit. I imagine lots of people feel the same way.

One of my grandmas actually told me she voted leave for her grandkids futures! Gosh, if that was her logic, I just wish she'd actually asked me what I thought before she voted!

I can only hope that we'll regain our FoM somewhere along the line, but we'd need more people (and political parties) to start acknowledging that the whole thing has been a bit of a shambles. I hope we rejoin in some form in my lifetime, ideally with enough time for my own kids to benefit when the time comes.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 22:27

@TooBigForMyBoots engineering then.
Poorer kids need access to affordable housing.not many go study and work in the EU. Your reasons are exaggerated and you have no idea about WC poorer people.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 22:29

RubyWedding · 09/08/2023 22:13

I'm so unhappy about it. And it feels doubly unfair when so many of my kids' friends (perhaps half the friendship group) are eligible for, or already have, Irish passports or something else - French, German, Greek etc. No hassle for them doing Uni years abroad, working for a summer in the sunshine or a winter in the snow. And NOT ONE of these kids voted for it because nobody born this century was even old enough to vote in 2016. It's nothing short of a crime against the young.

@RubyWedding you're taking about a small section of privileged society.
I would like to get a doctors appointment for my disabled daughter and preferably a school place.
Nobody cares if your child can't go skiiing or study in Italy. Get some real problems.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 22:30

newnamethanks · 09/08/2023 22:00

I am furious on behalf of my children and grandchildren who have had many opportunities stolen at the insistence of the Brexit lunkheads. And I am furious with all of those who are too ignorant, many wilfully so, to acknowledge what they have done to this country. They should be in prison but it will be the House of Lords for them.

I would feel exactly the same as you and many more on this thread at the removal of FoM from young UK citizens.

I'm gutted that Brexit has done this to them.

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deezNutz38 · 09/08/2023 22:33

Really dont care at all

Dont know anyone who studied abroad

Ive done 2 degrees myself in UK and have a well paid job and married an English man.

If any of the kids studied abroad I think more lilely theyd go to US or Japan. Dont know why anyone would want to fo to Spain/ Greece/ Portugal with worse economy, nobody goes to Germany to work from UK and even French banks everyone speaks English and they come to London, not other way around

No reason to miss it

Lessonsinbiology · 09/08/2023 22:36

For those who think FOM is just for the privileged, I'm very much from a working class background and being able to work abroad and gain experience easily was the making if me. , wealthy kids will no doubt have the support and money to do it anyway but Brexiteers have made it incredibly hard for WC to have the same opportunities. So while you are saying that you don't care if Tarquin goes , just remember that Tarquin will probably still go but WC kids, not so much...the WCs have been utterly shafted by Brexit. What a shit show....

@fullbloom87 yes I do have other worries, rising inflation, the complete shambles that is the NHS, the corruption of our present government, sewage in the seas, the complete lack of care for vulnerable people. COL crisis.

Wimbourne · 09/08/2023 22:37

Yes, furious. Such appalling stupidity and waste.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 22:37

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 21:49

@TooBigForMyBoots

Explain how WC kids have to pay more now?

They didn't have to pay for anything other than their flight and accommodation before being able to live and work in the EU.

Did you miss the fact that leaving the EU has changed that? Is your post gaslighting, faux naive bollocks? Or are you really unaware of the impact of removal of FoM?Hmm

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onlylovecanhurtlikethis · 09/08/2023 22:37

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 09/08/2023 19:22

I don’t think about it- equally I don’t worry about the fact they can’t just go and work in America or Australia or Singapore or….etc without paperwork.

i worry far more about the general state of the U.K.- the chance to go and live in another country has always been for the more privileged

This

Not everyone is going to have career which will take them to bloody Luxembourg 😂

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 22:40

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 22:37

They didn't have to pay for anything other than their flight and accommodation before being able to live and work in the EU.

Did you miss the fact that leaving the EU has changed that? Is your post gaslighting, faux naive bollocks? Or are you really unaware of the impact of removal of FoM?Hmm

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Oh come on...stop trying to convince us that working class kids in the UK were all heading off to the Alps for a gap year or looking forward to an internship at an investment bank in Europe. It's utter nonsense and I'm not falling for it.

Lancasterel · 09/08/2023 22:43

Gutted. I’ve got a French degree and after graduating, moved to Paris, wandered into an employment agency and got a job for 6 months with the same rights as anyone from France or the EU… no paperwork needed. My own kids won’t be able to do that now and that makes me really sad 😢

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 22:44

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 22:04

Not as furious as the WC who had to compete with EU migrants for housing, jobs and education and healthcare.
I don't think they really care that your son Barnaby can't live at your chateaux during his gap year in France.

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I think you didn't understand who went to and worked in the EU pre Brexit. Most were not the posh, chateau owning folks you think.

The posh, rich, chateau owning/borrowing folk are still having it away. Brexit didn't impact them. It did damage the ability of poorer UK citizens to work and study in the EU.

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