Carla Foster being released

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Court of appeal have reduced her sentence!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65581850

I haven’t seen it either and I asked where it came from and got no answer. Personally, I think it’s a mistake and some people are taking the original sentencing comments about another woman as being about Carla. They’re not.

I am not totally anti abortion, but the law that protects life should never be removed from abortion. If it is, it’s only a matter of time when a mother will be allowed to kill one of her toddlers simply because she can no longer afford to keep them for example. Women who have had still births earlier than baby Lilly at 34 weeks not only can register the birth but can have a death certificate too. Lilly foster was a viable human being who would have survived out of the womb if her mother had not murder her. Why do we value the lives of helpless innocent children so little. I am so angry about this she should have got life imprisonment.

Life imprisonment? Seriously? Murderers don't get that much.

There are places with less strict abortion laws than the UK and they don't have mothers legally killing their toddlers.

No I'm not an advocate for killing babies, how fucking dare you.

Because you have to draw a line somewhere

The same way it’s a bit odd that a 16yo boy sleeping with his girlfriend the night before her 16th birthday is a criminal - but come midnight, he isnt. But in terms of law, hard lines have to be drawn. And in legal terms a baby is considered living when it passes through the birth canal.

Though why you’re comparing that to Carla Foster I’ll never know - she wasn’t in labour with a live birth at any point.

See my above post for where we draw the line.

I FID have an abortion for a baby that was far along enough to kick and whilst I didn’t see the screen during my scan I did catch a glimpse of a photo. I stil went ahead with the abortion with no guilt, and I feel no guilt now, only extreme gratitude that I had the option. Call it ‘killing’ if it makes you feel better but it won’t make me feel bad, I’m smart enough to not let semantics get to me.

it’s only a matter of time when a mother will be allowed to kill one of her toddlers simply because she can no longer afford to keep them for example

Good grief the melodrama. Stop talking nonsense.

And stillborn children can get birth certificates if that’s what the parents choose. They don’t have to - that’s the whole point of being pro-choice pro choice is not the same as pro abortion.

I think that in life, what goes around will eventually come around.

I dunno. I had an abortion over two decades ago yet I’ve never been aborted from someone’s womb.

Where do you get the ‘suffocating’ nonsense from?

Re Carla Foster - like others it’s clear she broke the law, no one can deny that. It’s a very bizarre and sad case for all involved. My stance isn’t that she should get away with it because pro-choice, but wether a prison sentence was necessary. It absolutely wasnt.

Very few abortions are late term abortions, we are talking negligible numbers. Yet you think there will be an influx of 33 week pregnant women taking pills illegally because this woman is no longer in prison? Get real. This is an absolutely unique situation, which is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon.

Movement in the womb starts before the legal UK limit.

I don't disagree - I wouldn't put anyone in jail who hadn't committed a violent or sexual offence (with the exception of arson, and maybe the odd short sharp sentence for things like contempt of court to send a message).

Anyway I'm not campaigning, but I am glad that an appeal court took what was to me a more sensible and sensitive approach.

it’s only a matter of time when a mother will be allowed to kill one of her toddlers simply because she can no longer afford to keep them for example

Only mothers? Do you actually know what the male/female split of murder perpetrators is?

Very few late term abortions occur because it is illegal unless there are medical reasons.

What she did was illegal and resulted in the intentional death of a term baby.

By allowing Carla to be released it shows that even if you illegally abort your baby, as late as you want and for any reason, it doesn’t matter.

Once you set the precedent that it’s ok to do this then you open the flood gates.

Once one person has got away with it there will always be others who will find a way to do the same if they so wish.

It doesn’t matter how infrequent this happens the law is there for a reason and people need to be held accountable.

What she did was pre-meditated and that’s not okay.

What ‘ugly truth’? You are talking gibberish now

One woman breaking the law doesn't mean women (why just women?) will be allowed to kill toddlers, don't be so ridiculous.

By allowing Carla to be released it shows that even if you illegally abort your baby, as late as you want and for any reason, it doesn’t matter.

Most people would not go to these extremes and do what she did which would indicate she isn't well and in need of help. She will still have a criminal record, temporarily incarcerated, and has been named. I think as deterrents go it is enough.
She will be living with the consequences now, and people will not allow her to forget.

I still think it was the right decision to release her from prison.

To clarify: by late term I mean between 20-24 weeks. Apologies if I used an incorrect term.

I agrrr that what she did was illegal, pre-meditated and not OK. But granted very few 20-24 week abortions happen, and the Vast majority happen in the first trimester, there simply isn’t a ‘market’ for what Carla Foster did. You can’t set a precedent for an issue that doesn’t exist.

People also need to remember that the law is reason free from passion and that’s how it operates - people who aren’t convicted of baby killing are not baby killers in the eyes of the law. It was an entirely disproportionate sentence, and the release is the right decision in the circumstances. That’s not to say she should have got away with committing a crime. But a custodial sentence - who is that benefitting?

MyTruthIsOut

you have my full support on this issue

I just am laughing at the idea that there’s loads of 33 week pregnant women waiting int he wings around wishing they could induce an illegal abortion and they are now holding Carla Foster up as some sort of hero that has paved the way to their dream.

It’s just a fantasy of anti-choicers because they really are running out of valid points and they think this means they can go “See! See! This woman did it so loads of other women will do it!”. It’s highly illogical and quite embarrassing actually.

What's that supposed to mean?