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Fififafa · 18/07/2023 12:33

That’s fantastic news.

MyTruthIsOut · 18/07/2023 12:34

Papernotplastic · 18/07/2023 12:12

’I'm shocked to be honest and think it could set a dangerous precedent.’

How?

It sets the precedent that it’s ok for a woman to kill a healthy, viable, term baby for any reason she wishes to at any point of her pregnancy, even if that means deceiving medical staff to ensure it can happen.

The 24 week rule seems a bit pointless now.

tanyaturneristhegoat · 18/07/2023 12:36

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honeyrain · 18/07/2023 12:36

Alas...the magical birth canal that turns perfectly formed late term viable babies into human beings theory.

I wonder if all the people who think what she did is not punishable with jail time and we should show compassion towards her.. would also think that it if she laboured naturally from 34+ weeks onwards, then killed the baby once it was born would feel the same.

If a mother killed her new born baby she would be considered an absolute monster regardless of living/mental/social circumstances.

HappyJunkie · 18/07/2023 12:37

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exactly this

Saucery · 18/07/2023 12:39

Glad to see good sense prevail.

morelippy · 18/07/2023 12:39

Utterly disgusting.

Papernotplastic · 18/07/2023 12:39

She was convicted. How does that set a precedent?

ForTheSnarkWasABoojumYouSee · 18/07/2023 12:41

MyTruthIsOut · 18/07/2023 12:34

It sets the precedent that it’s ok for a woman to kill a healthy, viable, term baby for any reason she wishes to at any point of her pregnancy, even if that means deceiving medical staff to ensure it can happen.

The 24 week rule seems a bit pointless now.

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She was convicted of a criminal offence. How is that setting a precedent that it's OK?

ashesopera · 18/07/2023 12:43

I agree that she needs help not a custodial sentence.

ATerrorofLeftovers · 18/07/2023 12:44

Imisscoffee2021 · 18/07/2023 12:19

I'm pro choice totally, and there are some circumstances where a pregnancy has to be ended even when the baby is perfectly viable for the health of the mother or the baby having an issue that is unserviceable outside the womb.

However in this case, the reasoning behind the late term abortion was to hide the fact the baby was conceived by someone other than her partner or that it would mess up her life, when she knew she was pregnant from a much much earlier stage and could have ended the pregnancy well before viability. I think it was correct to be punishable by law. Having cut offs is necessary as where would it end otherwise, is a child not a valid human and member of society until they can differentiate themselves from their mother, or when certain parts of their brain are fully formed etc? A termination at the stage she did it would be acceptable if her life was in danger or the baby would suffer on delivery and expire due to a health issue. This just isn't the case with this situation. So many choices were made to get to that late stage and each time she chose to continue the pregnancy. Why not birth the child and give the child up for adoption instead?

Agree completely with this. I don’t think I her sentence should have been reduced. She would have already only had to serve half of it. Some jail time is appropriate in the circumstances.

This was not an acceptable use of late-term abortion over 24 weeks. She could have had a termination earlier, or waited just a few weeks more to give birth to a live baby that could have been adopted and lived its life. As it was she deliberately caused the death of a viable child despite many opportunities not to. It’s right and proper that this conduct be sanctioned.

dcbc1234 · 18/07/2023 12:45

The right decision I think. The original sentence seemed very harsh. Glad it didn't take too long for the appeal to happen but she will have had a lot of worry in the intervening period not knowing what her fate was going to be.

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What a disgusting comment.

StopStartStop · 18/07/2023 12:46

Lottapianos · 18/07/2023 11:59

'I think this is the right, compassionate decision'

I agree

Yes.

ashesopera · 18/07/2023 12:47

Adding that I agree this is the right, compassionate decision.

morelippy · 18/07/2023 12:48

This was crime committed with so much planning and forethought. I just don't see any need for compassion.

KeyWorker · 18/07/2023 12:48

Good. She should never have had such a harsh sentence to begin with. It’s time abortion was decriminalised in this country completely.

As soon as possible, as late as necessary.

dcbc1234 · 18/07/2023 12:50

Papernotplastic · 18/07/2023 12:20

This isn’t about the conviction it’s about the sentence.

Yes suspended is appropriate. She is not going to harm anyone else.

fratellia · 18/07/2023 12:50

How did she get abortion tablets without a scan to confirm dates?

I had a termination a few years back at 5.5 weeks pregnant. I was confident of how far along I was but they wouldn’t do anything until an ultrasound confirmed the exact dates to ensure the correct course of action.

A lot of women often estimate their dates then find out via ultrasound that they are way further along than they realised.

Seems dangerous to just administer abortion pills without a dating scan :/

almostoverthehill · 18/07/2023 12:50

I’m not anti abortion, but this was murder in my eyes and she should not have been released!

almostoverthehill · 18/07/2023 12:51

morelippy · 18/07/2023 12:48

This was crime committed with so much planning and forethought. I just don't see any need for compassion.

+1

dcbc1234 · 18/07/2023 12:51

I think people may have forgotten how difficult it was during lockdown to access any proper medical care in the UK that wasn't covid-related.

FuckOffTom · 18/07/2023 12:52

Sapphire387 · 18/07/2023 11:58

I think this is the right, compassionate decision.

I agree

almostoverthehill · 18/07/2023 12:53

dcbc1234 · 18/07/2023 12:51

I think people may have forgotten how difficult it was during lockdown to access any proper medical care in the UK that wasn't covid-related.

How much longer can Covid be used as an excuse!

ashesopera · 18/07/2023 12:55

dcbc1234 · 18/07/2023 12:51

I think people may have forgotten how difficult it was during lockdown to access any proper medical care in the UK that wasn't covid-related.

This is true. She must have been feeling desperate to have done something like this, and now has to live with the consequences.

An ambulance was called for, according to the article, when she went into labour.

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