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Would you apply for a job that you morally disagree with in my situation?

209 replies

Beezknees · 17/07/2023 17:53

Was made redundant not long ago. I'm a single mum, living in rented accommodation. Don't have a huge amount of savings and I'm now having to claim full UC and JSA. DS is 15 so childcare is not an issue, I'm applying for anything and everything that's suitable as I really don't want to be out of work for long. I've got no qualifications or specialist knowledge, I was a lone parent by 18 and have always worked whatever fit around DS, so I can't really afford to be fussy and the market is tough right now.

I have my CV up on various job sites and had a message from somebody who likes my CV and has invited me to apply for a job. The money is probably better than anything I'd get elsewhere but I'm not sure if I could do a job where I morally disagree with some of the fundamentals (it is a charity but there is a religious element to the organisation without being too outing) I am not religious and don't really agree with the notion of organised religion.

Would you apply?

OP posts:
Kingsparkle · 19/07/2023 15:23

@ManAboutTown - could you explain what you mean by left wing politics in this context?

saraclara · 19/07/2023 15:27

Welby and Williams before him have dragged the C of E into left wing politics in a way that disgusts a lot of people

And in a way that makes others admire them.
Going by what I read in the bible in my youth, Jesus was clearly left wing.

MogsMa · 19/07/2023 15:33

saraclara · 19/07/2023 15:27

Welby and Williams before him have dragged the C of E into left wing politics in a way that disgusts a lot of people

And in a way that makes others admire them.
Going by what I read in the bible in my youth, Jesus was clearly left wing.

Quite. Always amazes me that a religion founded on the teachings of a man who said "sell everything you have and give to the poor" could be anything else.

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killthekoroks · 19/07/2023 15:33

ManAboutTown · 19/07/2023 15:20

Welby and Williams before him have dragged the C of E into left wing politics in a way that disgusts a lot of people

God knows what people like Rob Runcie and Donald Coggin would think of them

Beergoggles seems to be determined to do the same for the Catholics

Who's beergoggles?

And what about all the members of the CofE who are - shock horror - left wing?

ManAboutTown · 19/07/2023 15:34

Kingsparkle · 19/07/2023 15:23

@ManAboutTown - could you explain what you mean by left wing politics in this context?

Immigration debate primarily but also expressing empathy with Cressida Dick the worst Met Commissioner of my life time (and there is a lot of competition - commiseration to Hogan-Howe and Ian " the archetypal New Labour copper" Blair)

Time to remove the bishops from the Lords

TheFormidableMrsC · 19/07/2023 15:35

I think for a charity I would do it. For the DWP, absolutely not.

Kingsparkle · 19/07/2023 15:46

TheFormidableMrsC · 19/07/2023 15:35

I think for a charity I would do it. For the DWP, absolutely not.

The DWP is by far the worst government department I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

SpeckyBecky8 · 19/07/2023 18:40

I actually volunteer for a local church and I am not one bit religious. Although I totally disagree with much of it, the way I see it is it helps others, whether it helps me or not. And if it helps others then it is worthwhile. So I am doing something nice for other people, not the church itself.
Also, a job is a job really. Unless they were doing something morally corrupt I'd take it.

Anthillveggie · 19/07/2023 19:15

ManAboutTown · 19/07/2023 15:34

Immigration debate primarily but also expressing empathy with Cressida Dick the worst Met Commissioner of my life time (and there is a lot of competition - commiseration to Hogan-Howe and Ian " the archetypal New Labour copper" Blair)

Time to remove the bishops from the Lords

Not agreeing with your politics does not make them not Christian.

pimlicopubber · 19/07/2023 21:08

Think of the religion as a hobby. I wouldn't work for tobacco or gambling companies, but religion that doesn't bring people any harm? Nothing wrong about

Happiestinmygarden · 20/07/2023 07:59

I think you need to do your homework about this charity and the church before you consider whether to apply. Either the charity is CofE and it’s views are likely to be quite middle of the road and not too objectionable, or they are some other more extreme religious group hanging out round abortion clinics. I’m no expert and consider myself to have no religion now but was brought up CofE in the 80s and the most controversial thing that went on was who was making the teas at the harvest supper! Although there were (quite elderly) people who had v conservative and definitely homophobic attitudes there was certainly no hellfire and brimstone or anyone preaching about abortion, or any other controversial subjects. In any case if you don’t know the ethos of the organisation you don’t stand a chance of getting the job as this would be very plain at interview, just like any organisation you’d apply for.

Newgirls · 20/07/2023 08:08

Yes apply. I bet there are many people within the group that share your views and being inside means you might become aware of policy change happening. Their view today might be different in six months. Go with an open mind. Good luck

Tadpolle · 20/07/2023 08:35

I know what you mean OP. I work in a field that involves supporting disadvantaged school pupils and I have felt uncomfortable partnering with Christian, Catholic and Islamic organisations over the years as I fundamentally disagree with some of their stances and I would far prefer organised religion was kept separate from state education. Lots of my colleagues feel this way too. Lots of multi academy trusts and schools are overtly aligned to religions with some values we don't like.

However, church/ religious orgs have "got" the schools. If my charity wants to access the most needy kids and families to support, we need to work with the religious systems to access them. This is how I have made peace with it.

AuntyPenny · 20/07/2023 09:12

As a christian myself, I can tell you that C of E as an organisation has been lacking in core moral values for quite some time. So working for them might not faze you too much anyway.

killthekoroks · 20/07/2023 10:05

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killthekoroks · 20/07/2023 10:06

AuntyPenny · 20/07/2023 09:12

As a christian myself, I can tell you that C of E as an organisation has been lacking in core moral values for quite some time. So working for them might not faze you too much anyway.

What moral values is it lacking?

killthekoroks · 20/07/2023 10:06

pimlicopubber · 19/07/2023 21:08

Think of the religion as a hobby. I wouldn't work for tobacco or gambling companies, but religion that doesn't bring people any harm? Nothing wrong about

You really think religion has never brought anyone any harm?

PigeonPigPie · 20/07/2023 10:30

AuntyPenny · 20/07/2023 09:12

As a christian myself, I can tell you that C of E as an organisation has been lacking in core moral values for quite some time. So working for them might not faze you too much anyway.

Couldn't have said it better.

killthekoroks · 20/07/2023 11:06

PigeonPigPie · 20/07/2023 10:30

Couldn't have said it better.

What core moral values does it lack?

Choronzons · 20/07/2023 14:45

pimlicopubber · 19/07/2023 21:08

Think of the religion as a hobby. I wouldn't work for tobacco or gambling companies, but religion that doesn't bring people any harm? Nothing wrong about

Try looking up the anti-gay law recently implemented in Nigeria and being proposed in Nigeria, pushed by religious groups including some in the US, and tell me religion doesn't bring people any harm.

Contentedturtle · 20/07/2023 19:47

ManAboutTown · 19/07/2023 15:20

Welby and Williams before him have dragged the C of E into left wing politics in a way that disgusts a lot of people

God knows what people like Rob Runcie and Donald Coggin would think of them

Beergoggles seems to be determined to do the same for the Catholics

The people who welcome this are not actually part of the church. The Bishops are trying to appease the media and non-Christians. They don't care about their own clergy and congregations. The House of Clergy are disproportionately opposed to certain agendas that the House of Bishops are trying to bring in. The way the Bishops are trying to bring in such agendas is undemocratic and uncaring toward its own flock.

Contentedturtle · 20/07/2023 19:52

saraclara · 19/07/2023 15:27

Welby and Williams before him have dragged the C of E into left wing politics in a way that disgusts a lot of people

And in a way that makes others admire them.
Going by what I read in the bible in my youth, Jesus was clearly left wing.

Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world". He was not about reforming earthly politics.

saraclara · 20/07/2023 20:03

Contentedturtle · 20/07/2023 19:52

Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world". He was not about reforming earthly politics.

Well he attempted to reform them well enough when he was on this earth. There was nothing about his actions on the bible that match with conservatism..

Contentedturtle · 20/07/2023 20:15

saraclara · 20/07/2023 20:03

Well he attempted to reform them well enough when he was on this earth. There was nothing about his actions on the bible that match with conservatism..

How did he attempt to reform politics? The Jews were expecting a Messiah to come and free them from the oppressive Roman regime, but Jesus did not do that. He said that his kingdom was not of this world.

Jesus didn't "attempt" anything. He claimed to be God himself, meaning he believed he had been given all the authority and power from the Father, and he was 100% confident in his status as King. "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."" Matt 28.18.

He was confident that absolutely everything he planned to do would happen, because he believed that he had the authority to make it happen. "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matt 16.18

If Jesus claimed that he was God and King of Kings and Lord of all creation, he had no need to fit into man-made categories of Conservatism and Socialism.

Just to make the point that the idea that Jesus was just a soft-hearted Socialist is extremely wrong.

Contentedturtle · 21/07/2023 08:06

(And if his aim was to create a socialist utopia on earth, he'd have done that)