Would you apply for a job that you morally disagree with in my situation?

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Was made redundant not long ago. I'm a single mum, living in rented accommodation. Don't have a huge amount of savings and I'm now having to claim full UC and JSA. DS is 15 so childcare is not an issue, I'm applying for anything and everything that's suitable as I really don't want to be out of work for long. I've got no qualifications or specialist knowledge, I was a lone parent by 18 and have always worked whatever fit around DS, so I can't really afford to be fussy and the market is tough right now.

I have my CV up on various job sites and had a message from somebody who likes my CV and has invited me to apply for a job. The money is probably better than anything I'd get elsewhere but I'm not sure if I could do a job where I morally disagree with some of the fundamentals (it is a charity but there is a religious element to the organisation without being too outing) I am not religious and don't really agree with the notion of organised religion.

Would you apply?

Yes to feed my kids 100 percent

I think you’re deliberately misunderstanding but in case not I’ll spell it out. Your question was, should I apply for this job, I have doubts as I don’t want to accept money from the CofE as I have moral objections to them. My answer was, yes you should apply, the moral objection is not a good reason not to apply as you are already accepting money from the CofE and all manner of morally dubious taxpayers - tobacco, oligarchs, anti-abortion groups - by accepting benefits paid out of general taxation.

So is there no company or industry out there you would turn down a job from on ethical grounds? Given that their taxes pay for things you likely use like the NHS, roads and schools?

In what way is he not a Christian?

Interesting question - probably no there isn’t. However there’s also a question of choice - you can’t choose not to walk on roads but you can choose not to apply for a job meaning you need to take benefits.

Right, so only people not on benefits get a moral compass.

And you can choose not to go to hospital if you get ill.

Hi OP, sorry that this has turned into a weird slanging match about benefits.

Here is my perspective as someone brought up in the C of E but no longer a supporter of it.

To my mind their biggest black mark in recent years has been their weird position on gay rights in which they sort-of acknowledge gay people but won't conduct gay weddings and they say gay priests are meant to be celibate. That has made a lot of people very unhappy.

However they have been quite good in other ways -- for example they have lots of women priests now and that decision also helped get rid of many sexists in their ranks. They technically oppose abortion in most circumstances but, as far as I know, they're not actively involved in campaigning against it like many other churches.

They are also much better, from my moral perspective, than the Catholics who still campaign against contraception for example and have been a major contributor to the spread of HIV/AIDS not to mention unwanted and forced pregnancies.

There are many things I don't agree with about the C of E but I'd probably work for them if circumstances demanded it, but I wouldn't for a Catholic group. (Other religious groups I'd need to research more.)

That's a personal perspective but adding in case helpful.

PS very best of luck in your job hunt either way!

I would take the job if offered. you need to feed your family. but keep looking for other jobs at the same time. you could even try turning a few minds while there! and if you're unproductive at your job you could even frame it as taking away money from an organisation you don't is ethical!

I didn’t say either of those things

I’ve walked away from jobs before, because of their (non existent) moral standards and I wouldn’t do a job that involved discriminating against anyone. However, if you look deeply into pretty much any company, you will find practices that go against your personal beliefs. Does it make any difference WHY they do/ believe the things they do?

Telling someone they're going to be tortured for all eternity (and deserve to be, assuming the person saying it agrees either their god) is quite personal, and horrible.

I didn't generalise about all religious people not being judgemental. Of course some are. I was saying that some atheists are just as judgemental as some religious people.

There are a minority (in this country) of judgemental religious people, and intolerant religions. But there are also many many (most?) religious people who are not. But of course you don't notice those people because their behaviour is 'normal'.

Some people have a bad experience with a religious person (or an atheist) and then decide that that person speaks for all the rest. And that's just ridiculous and illogical.

They don't believe in the gospel

Erm…. What? What parts of the Gospel do the Bishops not believe in?

Yeah you're going to have to give a bit more detail.

If they are a charity they cannot use the organisation to push the religion on beneficiaries - the money must be spent on the cause. For instance charities like Christian Aid or Cafod are great. Focus on the cause - if you are aligned with it then I'd say that's what's important.

Is that in law somewhere? There are plenty of missionary based charities that state the spreading of their religion very clearly in their aims.

Give it a go, doesn't sound like you can afford to be fussy. It's not like your getting a job with the mafia is it?

Religion has a lot to answer for, definitely, but we often overlook the 'good side' to religion in favour of the 'bad.'
Up to you, OP, but personally if the job spec was good and pay decent, I wouldn't let it stop me applying. Starting and doing the job and being proselytised while at it is a different matter.

Really? Can you evidence this? Seems odd to me.

I think you should suss the charity out - a friend of mine volunteered for an international aid charity years ago and was surprised to discover that it was pushing it's religious beliefs quite strongly in the countries it provided aid in, they were much more circumspect about their religious basis here, looked like Christians giving charity to everyone, not encouraging people to thank Jesus for the help they'd received.

You've applied for lots of jobs already.

Oh, well that sorts it 🙄

Just wanted to say I don't know any C of E that are identifying the immorals you are saying. So little puzzled, perhaps some research rather than assumptions would be beneficial and might help you feel you can the right decisions

Welby and Williams before him have dragged the C of E into left wing politics in a way that disgusts a lot of people

God knows what people like Rob Runcie and Donald Coggin would think of them

Beergoggles seems to be determined to do the same for the Catholics