BBC Presenter and yet more allegations

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It would appear that the front page of tomorrow’s The Sun has further allegations about messages with a new 17 year old. Creepy hearts etc

Scrolling through Sky news and seeing front pages of the papers. This appears bottom right on The Sun front page.

It will never cease to amaze me that some men will go to such huge, catastrophic lengths, with such devastating consequences for several people, in order to rub some of their mucous membranes on a stranger.

Ffs. Is it worth it? Have a wank.

Stupid man.

One might say exactly the same thing to the many many women on Mumsnet who choose to damage their children with the "relationships" they choose. Go and buy a vibrator.

Page 3 was a thing until 2015.

Your tedious self-righteousness is causing you to avoid the facts (unless you're like some other posters on this thread who can't read properly). What examples do you have of serious harm in this case?

One might say exactly the same thing to the many many women on Mumsnet who choose to damage their children with the "relationships" they choose. Go and buy a vibrator.

I wish I could say I'm shocked at this appalling attack on women, about a situation that is in no way analogous.

The men Luna referred to are ones who are directly satisfying their sexual gratification needs, at the cost of their unaware families, with an abuse of vulnerable (and possibly younger) individuals, generally through the abuse of their personal power.

In no way does it compare to women making unwise choices perhaps & often from their own position of vulnerability.

Shameful post.

What examples do you have of serious harm in this case?

It must be you not reading correctly.

Serious harm: to a younger vulnerable individual, to his own integrity & that of his employer, a trusted source of information, to his wife & family and to himself and his reputation.

Is it so hard to imagine that even the known facts of inappropriate sexual images which a younger person of vulnerability is going to cause serious harm?

I'm glad society apparently no longer tolerates men perving over youngsters.

Genuinely.

I'd like to see its disapproval applied even handedly, for ordinary men to understand that it's gross unpleasant behaviour and ordinary kids to be told sex work is exploitation.

It's a bit dissonant that sex work is fine, porn is fine, only fans is fine, Grindr is fine, kink is fine, we're all fine...

...but not that well known well paid bloke- he's not fine. He's a predator.

But the younger person (who you don’t know is vulnerable, btw) has said his mum’s claims are rubbish. And I don’t recall any mention or hint about serious harm in his wife’s statement. The police aren’t doing anything about it all, so far.

Yeah, you’re wrong as well.

Agreed.

However, my teens, from me & their school, have it made perfectly clear that all those aspects you name are not fine. It is happening.

More to be done of course, with predatory men all over.

*It's a bit dissonant that sex work is fine, porn is fine, only fans is fine, Grindr is fine, kink is fine, we're all fine...

...but not that well known well paid bloke- he's not fine. He's a predator.*

Don't forget a nonce, an abuser and depraved.

the younger person (who you don’t know is vulnerable, btw)

You don't think a 17 yo who is engaging in explicit sexual imagery to support a drug habit is vulnerable - really?

You don't think a nearly-60 yo man (as he was then) using teens under 18 for his own gratification is inappropriate and unacceptable for a man who may easily be described as the face of BBC.

Really?

has said his mum’s claims are rubbish

Not her claims of the material facts. The claims that he was in some way being manipulated or used - I didn't read a denial of the actual events.

It seems clear enough that the core elements are true.

This is a clearly troubled man - or do you stand over a 17 yo sharing sexually explicit images as being totally fine & ok?!

I don’t recall any mention or hint about serious harm in his wife’s statement

The act of what he has done has caused serious harm - to his family, employer and wider public. If you don't see that, I really wonder about your moral compass.

The police aren’t doing anything about it all, so far.

Something not being criminal or illegal, does not mean it isn't wrong 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yeah, you’re wrong as well.

Thanks but I'm very sure I'm not 💁🏻‍♀️

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@EarringsandLipstick do the teens you mention not watch porn? Are we beginning to move away from the assumption that all boys are going to watch porn eventually?

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I appreciate this could sound naive but no, I have my own teens but also interact with others due to work / extra-curricular roles & porn is not a thing.

There are still problematic issues, especially for boys / young men around body image, masculinity & what it means, for sure, and TikTok can be insidious in that regard - but also social media can have positive elements too.

I see a huge amount more of self-awareness & confidence among teens about relationships, compared to my teenage years, 30 years ago - I often felt pressurised (not sex - Ireland in the 90s was fairly tame!) but just in terms of hooking up, saying no etc. My own teens are absolutely able to be clear on their preferences - so far. The school programme on all of this is excellent too.

Porn is undoubtedly problematic for many, many teenagers. Which contributes to teen sex offending, consensual sharing (but illegal) of indecent images of themselves, and teens who see sex work via OF or similar as not only a way to make money but often see it as glamorous.

There's a steady rise of child on child sexual offending, much of it related to or influenced by pornography.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/10/porn-study-survey-uk-teenagers-addicted

My god are there parents of boys who believe their sons dont use porn??

They do. No matter what they say to please you, they use it.

Boys and men are more influenced by the visuals of sex, they are more sexually driven than women/girls, thats not to say that females dont use porn but its to a lesser degree.

Its as old as time, as old as humans have even existed.

What society can do is put in safeguards as far as is practicable about what is available, how its sourced, who can access it

We need a new thread

@KeepyUppy122

For sure.

Thankfully, where I am, it's not an issue & well-addressed. Has it the potential to increase & be problematic in young adulthood? Yes, but currently, from my experience, this isn't the case.

The reports from much of the UK are deeply troubling.

My god are there parents of boys who believe their sons dont use porn??

Yes. That's not me denying it's an issue, and can be. But not all boys use porn.

Sorry, it's a big problem in Ireland too.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-underage-porn-epidemic-in-ireland-thats-damaging-our-children-for-life-crmkxd5kf