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BBC Presenter and yet more allegations

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friendlycat · 11/07/2023 23:28

It would appear that the front page of tomorrow’s The Sun has further allegations about messages with a new 17 year old. Creepy hearts etc

Scrolling through Sky news and seeing front pages of the papers. This appears bottom right on The Sun front page.

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RoyalImpatience · 12/07/2023 22:50

Dint forget every single mumsnet user on this thread who has a licence fee is paying this man's wages.

That's the difference.

RoyalImpatience · 12/07/2023 22:52

@Sunnydays41 @EarringsandLipstick agree

He's been found out ant revealed.

If he's innocent... Who cares.

?

RoyalImpatience · 12/07/2023 22:54

So far I'm seeing a man a man lost in his own importance, trying to get away with it... And oh dear.... Pinned down trying to face jus wife and children... Tried the old outrage and anger

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2023 22:55

Have to say this article on his wife Vicky is quite something:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12293073/RICHARD-KAY-outpouring-admiration-Huw-Edwards-wife-fighting-family.html

It's glowing. She's genuinely really liked.

CaramelMac · 12/07/2023 22:58

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2023 22:43

There is no sense that he hasn't done at least a certain amount of what has been alleged.

The Sun claim they have seen bank statements that show a transfer of money. Tbh I'm inclined to believe this to be true - not of criminality but that money did change hands. The reasons for this are open to debate, but I do think the way The Sun are adamant about this it's likely to be true. They had 'something' which led the paper to make the accusation it was that serious. A bank statement is the most likely reason they took it so seriously. Whether they carried out a full journalistic investigation of good quality sits alongside this as a question.

We then have the text messages verified by the BBC. And that's the damning point at which there was clearly a problem.

Newsnight have just said they've seen messages sent to a colleague which 'do appear flirtatious' and the person who received them felt uncomfortable with them and they were inappropriate. Again difficult to just dismiss.

Beyond that in terms of the why and motivations I don't think we can say. But Huw Edwards has done things that are questionable in terms of his conduct.

How far you can use mental health problems as a justification is difficult. Again because if we say it's justifible to do certain things because of a mental health crisis that has implications. Not good implications. One that creates stigma.

Given the BBC seems to have a fairly open attitude to mental health struggles and encourages their discussion again you have to ask questions.

I feel for the BBC staff dealing with their own personal feelings and relationships whilst also doing their job to report on the story as impartially as they can.

I think the it’s quite likely that he’s made a serious error in looking online for fleeting sexual encounters with young adults, and one has taken the opportunity to extort some money out of him, perhaps telling their parents the money was for photos rather than blackmail hence why they have engaged solicitors and are denying it when their parents have gone to the Sun.

You’ll probably also find that a lot of celebrities aren’t quite as nice as their on screen personalities appear, so that shouldn’t really be a surprise to anyone but being unpleasant isn’t illegal.

Lalgarh · 12/07/2023 23:02

Beautiful stuff. Rod Liddle (now a Sun columnist) insists his employer behaved impeccably in their handling of this and rages about the establishment trying to cover this up.

pintery · 12/07/2023 23:03

But on this one, any poster who's spoken about Savile, abuse etc has been discussing the safeguarding of potential victims in an enormous power imbalance with a public figure

No, several people have accused HE of abuse, grooming and illegality, not forgetting the delightful "nonces gonna nonce" or whatever it was. Anyone who suggested that there was no evidence of illegality was an apologist.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2023 23:10

CaramelMac · 12/07/2023 22:58

I think the it’s quite likely that he’s made a serious error in looking online for fleeting sexual encounters with young adults, and one has taken the opportunity to extort some money out of him, perhaps telling their parents the money was for photos rather than blackmail hence why they have engaged solicitors and are denying it when their parents have gone to the Sun.

You’ll probably also find that a lot of celebrities aren’t quite as nice as their on screen personalities appear, so that shouldn’t really be a surprise to anyone but being unpleasant isn’t illegal.

It's a very plausible explanation.

Is Huw Edwards going to say I am being blackmailed? No. (He may do in time fwiw)

It's a huge amount of money. Why give that much money? A lesser amount for photos makes far more sense.

Equally it doesn't make sense in the context of other allegations - the figures mentioned for a different complainant aren't consistent. They are just a few hundred quid.

The logic doesn't match up.

For me the logical explanations would be for pics to be exchanged for small values and for that to progress to something else. Blackmail is one of the possibilities. But £35k for pics alone? Even on certain websites I find it somewhat implausible. It's so far above what 'the going rate' to make real sense.

MrsFinkelstein · 12/07/2023 23:15

pintery · 12/07/2023 19:33

So - man cheats on wife (I guess), makes decisions incompatible with his employer's values (I guess), does nothing illegal and is hounded to the point of admission to a psychiatric hospital by the Sun and the moronic public. Several other lives ruined. Well done all those on here comparing this to Savile, or posting about abuse of minors, grooming, illegal underage photos, "nonce", apologists, "depraved behaviour" etc. Rupert Murdoch will be really pleased with you. What a glorious day.

It's glorious isn't it? And the ones lapping up the titillating gossip (which is all it seems to be) from The Sun are still clutching their pitchforks unaware The Sun is now desperately backpedalling from its story. I hope The Sun is sued into oblivion due to this.

Definition of a witch hunt. Sickening to see.

CherryCokeFanatic · 12/07/2023 23:16

Well there was a certain photo leaked and posted all over twitter. Perhaps that is why you may pay someone a large sum, not to release it

Blossomtoes · 12/07/2023 23:19

CherryCokeFanatic · 12/07/2023 23:16

Well there was a certain photo leaked and posted all over twitter. Perhaps that is why you may pay someone a large sum, not to release it

You mean the AI thing?

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2023 23:24

MrsFinkelstein · 12/07/2023 23:15

It's glorious isn't it? And the ones lapping up the titillating gossip (which is all it seems to be) from The Sun are still clutching their pitchforks unaware The Sun is now desperately backpedalling from its story. I hope The Sun is sued into oblivion due to this.

Definition of a witch hunt. Sickening to see.

I think the Sun can claim a public interest angle regardless. The failure is over the criminality point.

They wouldn't be backing off if they weren't concerned about the legality angle but they are still standing by the rest of the story.

Just as the BBC themselves are almost doing a doubling down with their points over conduct. (And are also exposed to being sued if they get shut wrong on this)

And no I don't think it's titillating gossip. I'm pretty sure given her occupation, his wife wont either. Cos checks and balances / imbalances and abuses of power are the bread and butter of her job as the editor on a political show.

Equally if anyone can get Huw out of the mess, it's likely his wife... precisely for those very reasons.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2023 23:25

CherryCokeFanatic · 12/07/2023 23:16

Well there was a certain photo leaked and posted all over twitter. Perhaps that is why you may pay someone a large sum, not to release it

I got the impression it wasn't real.

THAT was titillating.

QueefQueen80s · 12/07/2023 23:27

pintery · 12/07/2023 22:38

Lets just ignore it shall we.. which then gives the message that this is acceptable.. and we get more older men sleazing all over young people knowing there are no consequences or backlash.

What happens between consenting adults is none of the public's business. You may not like it but it's entirely up to the people involved. You may not like young people making money out of selling photos or people buying them, but it's none of your business. Neither is people cheating on their partners, or being gay or bisexual, and neither is someone's relationship with their employer. None of this is in the public interest, it's just salacious gossip and this thread has been full of people posting about abuse, Savile, grooming, nonces and depravity, with no evidence apart from a shitty report in a shitty paper with nothing to back it up, printed despite a denial from the alleged victim.

It is our business when these people are in important jobs being role models, presenting serious news when he's actually engaging in seedy behaviour? The message needs to get across that it is inappropriate and thankfully the media agrees.

Blossomtoes · 12/07/2023 23:38

News readers aren’t role models.

adriftabroad · 12/07/2023 23:44

Sexual health... not something I would want to be addressing right now.

Poor wife.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2023 23:46

Blossomtoes · 12/07/2023 23:38

News readers aren’t role models.

I kinda beg to differ on that tbh.

Just cos you disagree doesn't mean to say they aren't. They are in the public eye and they are role models for some.

Sir Trevor McDonald and Moira Stewart certainly were as some of the first black faces on TV who were in a position of responsibility.

EmmaEmerald · 13/07/2023 00:10

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2023 22:49

He was engaging in high risk behaviours by the sound of it.

That's something that CAN and SHOULD be noticed.

I don't want my workplace noticing what I do when I'm not at work. Presume this was on a private phone, though I suppose you never know.

anyway - consenting adults in private.

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2023 00:11

EmmaEmerald · 13/07/2023 00:10

I don't want my workplace noticing what I do when I'm not at work. Presume this was on a private phone, though I suppose you never know.

anyway - consenting adults in private.

'High risk behaviours' are not just messages on phones.

EmmaEmerald · 13/07/2023 00:12

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2023 00:11

'High risk behaviours' are not just messages on phones.

Oh, I don't know what he is alleged to have done that bosses would notice.

Calliecaterpillar · 13/07/2023 00:15

I'm honestly pretty appalled at how many times I've seen on social media, heard people saying in person along the lines of

How tragic that he's been exposed for doing what loads of other people do, how unfair he's been so publicly shamed, we've all got skeletons in our closets etc

Let this be a lesson to everyone, particularly seedy wealthy influential older men - it's not worth the risk and fucking don't do it bc if you behave inappropriately you can cause serious harm

EarringsandLipstick · 13/07/2023 00:25

@RedToothBrush

Excellent & well-put observations.

Particularly this:

Depression doesn't make you ignore safeguarding protocols and training. It's kind of poor to suggest it's a reasonable excuse. And I think that needs to be stressed.

EarringsandLipstick · 13/07/2023 00:36

Let this be a lesson to everyone, particularly seedy wealthy influential older men - it's not worth the risk and fucking don't do it bc if you behave inappropriately you can cause serious harm

Exactly. 👏👏👏

Leaving aside the morality and probity of what may have happened, on sheer common-sense & self-preservation do these people not think: 'hmm. Would I be happy if I what I'm doing became public knowledge? If my wife / employer / viewing public knew?'
Yes - carry on!
No - pause and think about stopping, being upfront (re sexuality, relationship etc or what it mean if it became known.

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2023 00:45

In the hours that followed, the three BBC employees - two who currently work at the broadcaster and one ex-staffer - came forward with claims.

BBC Newsnight host Victoria Derbyshire said she spoke to one person who previously worked at the organisation.

'This person told me they had never met the newsreader, this person said that they had received late night messages on social media including kisses from Huw Edwards, which they said they believed was an abuse of power.'

The presenter said her colleague had spoken to someone who still works at the corporation, 'who told us that the presenter had sent them a message on social media commenting on their physical appearance, which gave them a 'cold shudder'.

BBC News Special Correspondent Lucy Manning said: 'There are questions for BBC bosses about the culture in the newsroom and the way that complaints can be raised and the way people feel comfortable or not to raise them.'

Two out of the three people said they felt they couldn't report what they felt was inappropriate behaviour to BBC managers, the journalist said.

She said of her source: 'This is someone who is very loyal to the BBC and they believe it is not just a problem for the BBC but across the whole industry.

She added: 'The BBC responded tonight saying it is encouraging staff to come forward if they have concerns'.

And

Lucy Manning, special correspondent, revealed during her report for tonight's News at Ten: 'It's been a very difficult day here in the BBC newsroom, some of the things we have had to report have been hard to hear.

'The police have found no evidence of criminality but there is still a lot for the BBC to grapple with.'

She earlier reported: 'A current BBC employee said this year they had received suggestive messages on social media from the presenter.

'They believe the messages were inappropriate especially as the presenter was a much more senior colleague.

'BBC News has seen the messages which refer to the BBC staff member's appearance and they are flirtatious.

'The BBC employee wants managers to be more proactive specifically towards younger staff who work with the presenter and to address who senior and junior members of staff interact.

'They haven't yet put in a formal complaint because of a desire to remain anonymous but might consider it.

She added: 'Another BBC worker and a former one have also told Newsnight they received what they perceived to be more inappropriate social media messages from the presenter that made them feel uncomfortable.

'One said they felt it was an abuse of power by someone very senior in the organisation. There has been no response from the presenter's lawyers.'

I am going to say this very carefully that maybe you should be keeping up with the story and the pattern of behaviour emerging.

We DON'T have proof about the claims of meeting up in COVID restrictions - that would represent very irratic and potentially odd behaviour going on which might be noticeable though. And whilst there is nothing concrete on this we ARE starting to see something questionable which bosses should maybe have been aware of.

Everyone saying 'private business' is missing the point with safeguarding. And how patterns rather than one off behaviours are often common.

Someone in a position of power at the BBC randomly starting messaging men 40 years his junior in a way that's flirty/asking to meet up is odd and doesn't come from nowhere. Especially if married with kids. I find it bizarre that people think this and there's no previous 'something'.

You now have something emerging that suggests that it wasn't necessarily just private and amongst consenting people - that's not a surprise in a scenario where the initial allegations suggest abuse of power. An abuse of power suggests a lack of regard for boundaries/rules or codes of conduct.

We should be asking the following:

Is the complaints process fit for purpose? Do people have confidence in it? Do members of the public feel they will be taken seriously if even staff don't feel they can report? How long has this going on for?

Is it a given within the industry that at lower levels you just accept inappropriate messages/ comments as 'part of the job'. If it's that normalised in the workplace, how might that affect someone in a position of power in how they interact with the public?

There are red flags all over the place with this. Why didn't anyone notice them before?

Someone must know something. I just don't believe NO ONE was aware of something. If there was someone seeing stuff, as you'd expect, you ask why have they kept their silence?

We now got seven people saying something. Is that likely to be everyone? Are all these people making up shit? Are we going to start playing the odds game.

The BBC have duties of care all over the place here. Not just to their star presenter.

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