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BBC Presenter and yet more allegations

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friendlycat · 11/07/2023 23:28

It would appear that the front page of tomorrow’s The Sun has further allegations about messages with a new 17 year old. Creepy hearts etc

Scrolling through Sky news and seeing front pages of the papers. This appears bottom right on The Sun front page.

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DaisyQuakeJohnson · 12/07/2023 10:40

It would be interesting to see the venn diagram of people saying 'ignore this story - the man can do what he likes and it should never affect his job' and the people who think it's perfectly fine for women to lose their jobs for having the protected belief that sex is real.

They're the same in a lot of cases.

They don't care about safeguarding, about young people, about wives and children, about the law - as long as an old white middle-class man can focus on sex and they can pretend they are the most oppressed group ever - just because not everyone panders to their libido.

We can see you.

BloodyHellKen · 12/07/2023 10:41

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 12/07/2023 10:40

It would be interesting to see the venn diagram of people saying 'ignore this story - the man can do what he likes and it should never affect his job' and the people who think it's perfectly fine for women to lose their jobs for having the protected belief that sex is real.

They're the same in a lot of cases.

They don't care about safeguarding, about young people, about wives and children, about the law - as long as an old white middle-class man can focus on sex and they can pretend they are the most oppressed group ever - just because not everyone panders to their libido.

We can see you.

👏👏👏

WhisperingAutistic · 12/07/2023 10:41

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 12/07/2023 10:40

It would be interesting to see the venn diagram of people saying 'ignore this story - the man can do what he likes and it should never affect his job' and the people who think it's perfectly fine for women to lose their jobs for having the protected belief that sex is real.

They're the same in a lot of cases.

They don't care about safeguarding, about young people, about wives and children, about the law - as long as an old white middle-class man can focus on sex and they can pretend they are the most oppressed group ever - just because not everyone panders to their libido.

We can see you.

Excellent point!

Aquarius1234 · 12/07/2023 10:48

What I hate about these allegations is the presenters are always nearly retirement age anyway, and they've probably been doing it for 20 odd years. Why can't they be found out in the middle of their careers not when they 60 or 65!!

Aquarius1234 · 12/07/2023 10:49

Basically, they've got away with it for far too long. And the bbc are to blame as per usual.

twelly · 12/07/2023 10:50

@askmenow we pay many wages as tax payers, teachers, NHS staff, police, prisons etc etc. I think the principal of privacy is important - that should be a right no matter what your position.

lemmein · 12/07/2023 10:51

Yikesno · 12/07/2023 06:23

This thread is absolutely amazing - it beggars belief that there could be so many legitimate mumsnet users so vehemently on the side of the unnamed presenter. Something very strange is going on here - I suspect people are being paid to defend him, denigrate the Sun and obfuscate the story in online forums like this one.

This!

If never ceases to amaze me how many people rush to the defence of predatory men.

Aquarius1234 · 12/07/2023 10:51

Vanessa Feltz said she knows of a supposed male star that sexually assaults females yet hasn't been outed.

Midnites · 12/07/2023 10:52

Why can I not find a name of who people suspect anywhere? Surely people are talking about it on here, Reddit, Twitter? Who is wiping the name before people can see it themselves?! I'm baffled by how much I've looked and how I'm finding nothing

SerafinasGoose · 12/07/2023 10:52

TrustPenguins · 12/07/2023 06:39

This.
And also Boris Johnson missed the deadline on Monday to hand over his WhatsApp messages...

It's very obviously an establishment problem.

Even if people happened to be right about the distraction tactic - 'oooh look over there!-a flying saucer' - this isn't the gotchya they think it is. Attention is merely being diverted to another area of the establishment. That shitshow at ITV. Hollywood, and the hideous practice of the 'casting couch'. Westminster doing what it wants, when it wants, at any given time in history to which you care to point.

It's an abuse of power, which is why women and vulnerable minors are constantly on the receiving end. It's not new, it's not novel, it's still equally sickening, and the establishment continues doing what the establishment's always done: deflecting, rugsweeping, mutual self-protection, and victim-blaming. 'How COULD they say such terrible things about poor old us?'

The more sunlight that is shone on the this mess, the better. I was naive to think, as I momentarily did, that #MeToo would ever herald any lasting change. It merely provoked a storm of 'witch hunt!', 'jumping on the bandwagon!' and 'why are you talking about this NOW?' in a drive to make victims do what we've always done: protect our violators with our silence in the (likely highly accurate) assumption that nothing we say will be believed.

It's an irony indeed that the amoral, grubby media are the ONLY ones with any ability or seeming willingness to hold these men to account.

fromdownwest · 12/07/2023 10:53

lemmein · 12/07/2023 10:51

This!

If never ceases to amaze me how many people rush to the defence of predatory men.

It is nothing more than political Bias, if the story had been released by the Guardain about a Tory MP, their stance would be much different.

I find it very very troubling, that peoples policitcal point scoring, can trump the needs of a 17 year old child.

Jigslaw · 12/07/2023 10:55

Aquarius1234 · 12/07/2023 10:49

Basically, they've got away with it for far too long. And the bbc are to blame as per usual.

It's not just the BBC though is it, ITV were actively facilitating PS. The issue is predatory men in positions of power being enabled, emboldened and able to exploit this whilst being either protected by their powerful employer or there not being sufficient safeguards in place. Its pretty well known that men with money, influence and 'fame' have the potential to abuse this and they regularly do. There needs to be fundamental changes, its not just tv networks either.

pintery · 12/07/2023 10:55

How can the abuse of young vulnerable teenagers possibly be s ‘non story’?

What are you counting as the abuse of vulnerable teenagers? Alleged victim A, who says the story is rubbish (the story which the police have already looked into and declined to investigate further)? Alleged victim B who wasn't a teenager and received an angry message after threatening to out the presenter? Alleged victim C who was not a teenager and made the presenter a cup of tea during lockdown? Or alleged victim D who was a teenager and received a message with an emoji in it?

Catpuss66 · 12/07/2023 10:55

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 12/07/2023 09:58

Because if that is what happened paying 35K is the only option? He is rich, he has lawyers, he could have gone to the police and got a super injunction and the blackmailer would have been dealt with. I'm concerned at how keen some are to excuse him.

No one has been found guilty of of anything yet, isn’t that the way of British law. You just want to form a lynch mob you are judge , jailer & executioner . No one is excusing anyone we let the police & law to decide.

Wheresthebeach · 12/07/2023 10:55

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 12/07/2023 10:40

It would be interesting to see the venn diagram of people saying 'ignore this story - the man can do what he likes and it should never affect his job' and the people who think it's perfectly fine for women to lose their jobs for having the protected belief that sex is real.

They're the same in a lot of cases.

They don't care about safeguarding, about young people, about wives and children, about the law - as long as an old white middle-class man can focus on sex and they can pretend they are the most oppressed group ever - just because not everyone panders to their libido.

We can see you.

Absolutely. 'Everything goes' has lead to massive safeguarding issues, and huge destruction of women's safety.

Tink51971 · 12/07/2023 10:57

Also do you wonder why the sun never printed any blanked out information in their paper for the first young person, as according to them they had seen damaging information (if they have I haven’t seen it), yet for the 4th they printed messages.

I do think reporters whether for papers or tv, need to be more accountable for what they report and how they act and then maybe we will get news that we are interested in, not gossip and scandals. All news channels have become boring anyway as if you look at sky and the BBC, how much of the day is filled with fillers and reruns. Maybe a good overhaul is needed.

Aquarius1234 · 12/07/2023 10:58

How come people like Kevin O Sullivan know who it is?
Do the Sun just text all the media people revealing it?

LemonTT · 12/07/2023 10:59

fromdownwest · 12/07/2023 10:53

It is nothing more than political Bias, if the story had been released by the Guardain about a Tory MP, their stance would be much different.

I find it very very troubling, that peoples policitcal point scoring, can trump the needs of a 17 year old child.

The 17 year old is now an adult and has very clearly stated he is not a victim and he does not want this attention. Yet the media feeding frenzy is intent on intruding into his privacy and removing his autonomy.

Why is he being stripped of his rights and forced to be a symbol of other peoples agendas? This is the real scandal and it is indefensible.

conkerspider · 12/07/2023 10:59

Midnites · 12/07/2023 10:52

Why can I not find a name of who people suspect anywhere? Surely people are talking about it on here, Reddit, Twitter? Who is wiping the name before people can see it themselves?! I'm baffled by how much I've looked and how I'm finding nothing

It's being deleted quickly. I've seen the actual name in other places, it had been up for maximum of a couple of minutes.

On the last thread on Mumsnet someone kept repeatedly posting blatant hints that were deleted, so that thread was eventually deleted (I think that might have been the poster's intention, it was so stupid otherwise)

Aquarius1234 · 12/07/2023 10:59

Yes ITV, channel 4 whoever , media agents all protect the so called stars.

pintery · 12/07/2023 11:00

Would you feel like this if it was your dc, if you have them, at the same age

If my child was making money selling photos online I would try to get them to stop but it would ultimately be their decision. I wouldn't go to the employer of one of the buyers, nor would I go to the tabloids.

If my child got an abusive message after threatening to ruin someone's life by outing them, I would be furious with my child.

I wouldn't mind if my 20 something child made a cup of tea for someone during lockdown.

I wouldn't mind if my child received a message with a heart emoji in it from a famous person.

lifeturnsonadime · 12/07/2023 11:01

Aquarius1234 · 12/07/2023 10:51

Vanessa Feltz said she knows of a supposed male star that sexually assaults females yet hasn't been outed.

Well he should be.

What is the point that you are trying to make?

SerafinasGoose · 12/07/2023 11:02

If my child got an abusive message after threatening to ruin someone's life by outing them, I would be furious with my child.

Fucking hell.

Plbrookes · 12/07/2023 11:02

IClaudine · 12/07/2023 10:37

No, but it was identified as a "good day to bury bad news" and an example of the manipulation behind how and when news stories are rolled out.

If you think certain sections of the press and the government don't work together at times when it is benefial to one or the other or both, and if you think there is no agenda behind the timing of this, you are naive.

You're claiming that the Sun has sat on this story for a long time? Or that George Osborne hastily rearranged his wedding to coinicide with it in case someone sent a poison pen email?

Strawberrycocktail · 12/07/2023 11:03

Midnites, there are hints being dropped on social media such that many people have a name in mind. However, I personally don't like the way so much pressure is being put on the individual to name themselves when this is still under investigation and there are no charges. I'm not defending the behaviour (if it turns out to be true) but I think it is too soon to be reaching conclusions that can wreck someone's career. And I think there's a valid point being made about the other media stories that are may be being buried by this at the moment - many posts on twitter suggesting to look for the story that is being buried by this.

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