BBC Presenter and yet more allegations

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It would appear that the front page of tomorrow’s The Sun has further allegations about messages with a new 17 year old. Creepy hearts etc

Scrolling through Sky news and seeing front pages of the papers. This appears bottom right on The Sun front page.

Maybe you would feel differently @pintery if your son or daughter was addicted to crack cocaine and you had tried numerous times to close down their source of huge amounts of money. My first choice wouldn’t be The S*N but I understand they felt desperate and thought that was a last resort.

I was a bit surprised when I read who it might be, but only cod I didn't think it would be that kind of a presenter.
Watching videos saying we will be totally shocked when we find out, not really. Just shocked it's not more of a personality type star.

But are you sure he knew the performer was 17 and not 18? Because the website where he seemed the service claims that all performers are above 18.

If my 17 yr old child’s drug habit was being funded by anyone I would do anything within my power to stop it.

Think I've found it and shocked! He's the big guns right? He's deleted his Instagram and people seem to be using that as proof, but then I expect he's getting inundated with abuse so if he is falsely being named I can see why he would delete his Instagram. I imagine if he is innocent there will be a big law suit pending as he has a very prestigious reputation that is being tarnished?

Genuine question here - if the person is named, or names himself - what would happen next? If that happened before the actual facts were established? I can see that it would stop speculation about other people - but that’s largely stopped anyway. How would it take the story forward given a large minority know who he is anyway?

Why is it always married men with kids?!

My first choice wouldn’t be The S*N but I understand they felt desperate and thought that was a last resort.

The Sun wouldn't be an option to help at all. Sensationalist, dishonest newspaper at best, more harm than good.

It's a bit political point scoring but it's also bigger than that. The defence is coming from the group that are lobbying for DCs to have full body autonomy and to be removed from their parents if they think the parents are guilty of 'wrong-think'. It's the group that want women sacked for wrong opinions and hurting male feelings.

It definitely feels like a deliberate misinformation campaign. They're all pulling the same bullshit eg
*it's all the evil Sun - deliberately ignoring the BBC, the Guardian, all the media
*no-one knows the sex of the young people - the sex was known from the first coverage and announced on the BBC
*the police aren't investigating - the police have asked the BBC to halt their internal investigation until the police determine if a crime has been committed - this has been on the BBC website and announced on the BBC news.
*the person wasn't underage - when the parents of personA said they were underage and when one of the other young people has said they were underage when contact started (as reported by the BBC)
*if they were underage then they lied about their age - there is literally no basis for this except people wanting to find excuses for a predatory older man
*they must have been blackmailing him - when there is proof of payments but no proof of blackmail
*of course the man got annoyed when a young person said they would be honest about their relationship but it wasn't abusive of him - despite the BBC saying it has seen the messages and they are threatening and abusive.

So many knots to tie themselves in just to try to excuse a man. They're also obviously bloody terrified that any of this leads to more scrutiny about young people online, safeguarding and older men using young people for sexual kicks.

In response to Daisy's (original message above).

I'm so happy that more and more people are pointing this out. In particular this: They're the same in a lot of cases. Indeed they are: because the protection of predatory men in the workplace and the hounding of women for claiming sex is immutable and real, are two sides of the same coin.

It has nothing to do with inclusion, nothing to do with the extension of trans rights into the commandeering of the rights of women too: nothing to do with anything much, as it happens, except male supremacy.

MRAs are the ones driving this agenda: the ones threatening to punch, assault, cancel and harangue women if we don't totally capitulate to whatever they decide they want. This is the privileged male response to the meagre advantages made by feminism across a long century. 'To every action is an equal and opposite reaction'.

Excepting, of course, this one's wholly disproportionate.

Nobody said or implied that here.

Also, close down those websites offering such sleez if you want to protect young and women.

Was his instagram mainly work related posts and photos?

No, but they rushed it out without much indepth investigating, as demonstrated by how some elements of it have changed and the fact that it was based on an affidavit not actual evidence.

I do wonder if the additional stories have bern known about for a while and sat on until something more substantial came up, who knows.

I don't think the timing has much to do with the GO story, though. That was just a lucky break for Gideon.

Yes and

The lengths people will go to to condone when men act badly is astonishing.

Also the comments on not caring if it were your dc below or more extreme being furious at them not the male in the powerful / influential position, well I can’t relate.

I can’t see anyone condoning it, saying what he’s done is fine, they would be happy for their DH to do the same.

But there is an area between condoning it, and calling him a child abuser who should be immediately sacked without investigation or evidence of criminal wrongdoing.

And oddly, occupying this middle ground doesn’t mean you ‘secretly support abusive men’ or think they should get away with everything.

What I'd like to know is that if the presenters name hasn't been made public which it hasn't, how did these other people know that they were victims of the same perpetrator in order to go to the Sun with their story? All very fishy.

Ideally you would start doing something before they got to age 17 addicted to crack that they needed to provide such services to fund their addiction.

But in this mother has realised she needs to do something now when son is 20.

I hope the addicted son is recovering now.

The second young person went to the BBC with a complaint about a presenter's behaviour. The BBC linked those complaints to the first story.

Interesting

Cos it was trending on twitter and he's not on TV atm. And insta deleted.

It’s pretty obvious by now

His name has been all over the Internet for days. Therefore if they realised that the messages they had received may be linked to the case they will have got in touch. If the Internet is wrong and they supplied information regarding another presenter then there would be 2 presenters suspended but there isn't so it is all the same person.

Nice to see the strawmen coming in - the thing about MN is that we've had years of sealions and strawmen and MRAs. We know all the distraction techniques. We also know about safeguarding and are able to read more than one media source and actually understand them. Very annoying for all those people wishing we'd just ignore those pesky rules and that our reading comprehension was as poor as they pretend theirs is.

@Caramelatt how do you know when this young person became addicted to crack? It could have been in the past few months. Don’t let your ignorance get in the way of blaming a mother though…

Have the parents gone after anyone else who have helped fund the addiction?

Was the presenter giving money to fund the addiction or did the young adult chose to use the money that way? If they were using wages to fund an addiction would you blame the employer